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How long will it take after merger?


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#1 OFFLINE   AJ2086

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 08:14 AM

How long will it possibly take for E* customers to see channels that were only on D* and vice versa? Will it happen instantly? Or will it take like a month, a year, or more?
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#2 OFFLINE   Scott Greczkowski

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 08:16 AM

Probably a year or more. (sucks huh?) :D

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 08:21 AM

I agree with Scott, although if they did officially merge and become one company, I'm sure that one company would have one contract for each channel, even if that company hadn't really combined services yet. Would that not be correct?
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 08:27 AM

look at the Primestar precedent. It took quite awhile for the "benefits" of the merger to be realized.
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 08:48 AM

Why would it take a year or more? If the New E* decides to duplicate most or all core channels until a single format is decided on and implemented, there would probably only be maybe a dozen or so additions and would just be a matter of turning on the switch. Personally I believe that until every thing is consolidated unto one platform that with in a few months or so we will see common basic and premium channel programing packages offered in both the current E* and D* formats. Most likely core and locals in current E* format on 110, core and locals in current D* format on 101, Spanish and locals in both formats on 119, HD and Chinese channel in current D* format on 119, HD and International in current E* format on 61.5 and 148. Subs with duel-speak STB's ( or own both D* and E* STB's) and proper dishes should be able to receive everything (if they can afford it:D) soon after the merger.

In the long term I suspect that a few locals at a time will be switched over to chosen singe format, will likely take 2 or 3 years to convert all locals to one format. Once all locals are in a single format it should not take long to combine core channels to one format which will open up a lot of bandwidth of additional National channels and services.

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 09:08 AM

I think the thread started out discussing more than locals. There are a lot of issues concerning what format to use----and what receivers really are "dual speak" and what to doa bout people with the "wrong" format.

Bottom line is that there is no announcement and we can be optimistic or pessimistic as we choose but we are all speculating.
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 09:32 AM

keep in mind that charlie is NOT going to honor any contracts that he feels is not in his benefit-and one thing charlie doesn't like is the high price of the NFL package....

(and before anyone says anything-keep in mind that the ONLY reason charlie even considered having the ticket on dish is because dtv had it-without the competition of dtv after the merger, charlie will have no reason to keep the service-)
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 09:56 AM

Jack, you are way off-base with your analysis.

In acquiring D*, Charlie also aquires the rights and responsibilities of each programming contract.

Why would he keep ST? Simple, it brings in new subs by the droves.

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#9 OFFLINE   Chris Freeland

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 09:59 AM

Charlie will keep NFLST because he does not want cable to get it, NFLST brings in a lot of converts from cable and cable is the primary competition.

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 10:08 AM

The Sunday Ticket contract is. I believe in it s final year. So in that particular case there wont be much of a responsibilty to acquire.

As for who will go after the new package I can't say. Neither the FCC nor the DOJ has ruled. After that we have to see what the state AGs do.

Historically Charlie has not been too keen on these packages and he might sit it out if there is no official merger. If there is maybe cable will outbid the new entity. I would not make authoritative pronouncements.

But I think the original question was about all services not locals or sports.
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 10:55 AM

I'm not sure the NFL even wants to be on cable. I think that would open a can of worms with the locals... I'd assume they'd want to remain on DBS and DirecTV/Ecostar will do what it takes to keep them, or lose people like me who will go where the package is... :shrug:

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 11:23 AM

If Dish kept adding channels until the merger is complete, such as PBS Kids, TRIO, Newsworld International, etc...the transition wouldnt even be noticeable.

Dish will keep the Sunday Ticket. However, the people who want the package will have to pay a higher price since Charlie wouldnt want to pass the costs to the other subscribers who do not subscribe. There will be many who will pay extra to have the bragging rights to all those football games. When you think of how much it costs per person to go to a football game in person, the extra money per year is still a big bargain.

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 02:28 PM

Geronimo said...I would not amke authoritative pronouncements"

Nor have you.

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 02:34 PM

Thanks Nick I guess. :shrug:
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 03:01 PM

However, the people who want the package will have to pay a higher price since Charlie wouldnt want to pass the costs to the other subscribers who do not subscribe.

I don't think there would be a price increase unless the NFL raised their costs to the merged company. The problem with raising the price to cover the costs of the package is that once you raise the price enough customers may balk (excuse the baseball term in a football thread) at taking the package that they actually bring in less than they would if they left pricing alone.
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 05:57 PM

james, the problem is this-IF the merger happens, expect to purchasing your bud because everyone assumes that charlie and E* will be making decisions that makes sense...

Understand this-typical, sensible marketing strategies are baseless in a conversation concerning the actions of E*...

1.) Charlie promises he will serve all 210(my bad-operating out of memory) DMAs if the merger goes thru-probability-charlie will welsh on that promise because he doesn't want to deal with 260 DMAs representing (what?)around 2000 different local stations, regardless if the technology is up or whatever-why?he doesn't need to anymore-no competition...

2.)charlie drops the contracts to NFL, MLB, NBA, etc because the organizations want too much money and Charlie won't spend it-The sports organizations don't bend because they like the money they got from past contracts with DTV-result-no more big sports packages on dbs-unless you're willing to put a bud up in the backyard, too bad for you...once again, the fruits of no competition...Alternative scenario-no competition, sports package prices ZOOM above the $250 ( or higher) mark per season, cause charlie never loses when it comes to money-not enough subscribers to justify it???fine with charlie-doesn't want it anyway...probably only deal on sports packages is college football, with heavy rotation of tennessee games-lol

3. niche channels-get in line or get off the air-E* doesn't like anything disney owned and operated just to give you an idea-once again-no competition

4. new channels-well, if the price is right-charlie likes porn and shopping channels because he gets a nice kickback on those-loves bowflex too...but if new channels that want to be on satellite don't meet charlie's price, too bad-once again, no competition

Now for all those who have swallowed hook, line and sinker that MYTH that cable is dbs's true competition, just wait to see what happens after the merger-in fact, once charlie has his way on the dbs front, don't be surprised should he turn a hungry eye towards various cable entities...

btw-charlie will STILL get new subs by the droves because, unless they have deep pockets and don't mind the limitations of c band, there wiull be only one game in town-once again, no competition...
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:09 PM

Thanks for cheering me up! :D

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:16 PM

there's the real world...and then there's charlie's world...
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:18 PM

Cult of personality then huh?

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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:23 PM

well, he's certainly a legend in his own mind

(and i would congrats you on reaching 1500 posts, but that would only open a whole new can of worms, so i won't even bring it up...)
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:25 PM

1.) Charlie promises he will serve all 260 DMAs if the merger goes thru

It's 210 DMA's.

2.)charlie drops the contracts to NFL, MLB, NBA, etc

You are beginning to sound like one of those who keeps unjustly claiming that Charlie won't put them on because he doesn't like sports.

Alternative scenario-no competition, sports package prices ZOOM above the $250

and meet with a strike by the consumer and make even less than he would if he left prices alone. I think the max profit price is somewhere in the neighborhood where it is right now. I am sure DTV had many studies done before they set pricing on the packages. Lots of unsubstantiated speculation.

3. niche channels-get in line or get off the air-E* doesn't like anything disney owned and operated just to give you an idea-once again-no competition

You are sounding like the Charlie doesn't like sports crowd again. I don't like much that Disney puts up at the moment now either though and think it would be best if some of the crap is removed. Disney crap (along with Nic) is simply turning into MTV in training.

Thanks for cheering me up!

Ignore him, he is one of the many Charlie haters and nothing stated above is based on fact, simply unsubstantiated speculation.
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Posted 12 August 2002 - 06:44 PM

with charlie, until he does it, you can only act on "unsubstantiated speculation"-however, i do base my speculation on severals years as both a subscriber AND a dealer...

but accepting him at his word prior to seeing any real action on his part is not basing anything on "fact" either...

but i "base" a lot of what i "speculate" on comments he has made in the past concerning some of these topics-

FACT-he DOESN'T like the high cost of the ticket and DOESN'T think it impacts subscriber aquisition so much so that he has to have it at any cost(something DTV didn't have a problem doing)*

FACT-he doesn't like mickey mousing around with the various local affiliates(you think it was only bandwidth concerns that he fought against must carry???)in the myriad of contracts the company has to keep up with or the different idiocies the affiliate owners try to heap on him(i'll sign my abc affiliate with you if you also carry my mom's knitting circle independant channel also)

also, yer partially right-i don't hate charlie, but regardless of the strides he's made from when he started in the c band business, there's just not a whole lot to admire about the man-he prevaricates and he lies on a regular basis, and unless he can turn a dollar on it OR if he's forced into a corner to provide it, you won't see channels on E* just because you asked for it...
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Posted 13 August 2002 - 12:19 AM

Charlie's World is like Bobby's World, j/k.

Anyways there will be good and bad things about this merger, thats a given, the question is will the good outweigh the bad?

Just look at how long it took Primestar subs switched out. It may not take as long per sub seeing how many installers and retailers there are now but still it would take about twice as long unless we use the same mount and just reposition the dish and use the same wire, which would keep costs down. Also if they would use one standard for locals in certain areas at first at least, then everyone would have locals all at once without having to add more satellites by putting 105 on Dish, 105 on Direct (having more space for locals since there would be no more duplication, if they could automatically take away some of that duplication right off the bat, not sure how this could be done. How about switching over the customers with certain channels first that would be taken off of DirecTv to prevent duplication that would only be shown on Dish, or vice versa, depending on which service would actually be used.

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Posted 14 August 2002 - 03:53 PM

If this merger does go though will people have to buy a new receiver. I have a dish pro 301 and if the merger goes though will I have to get a direct tv receiver?

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Posted 14 August 2002 - 04:42 PM

You would not have to BUY the receiver, they will do it free of charge.




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