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#26 OFFLINE   Cap'n Preshoot

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 06:35 PM

H20 receivers seem to display 10-20% lower than other receivers on the same dish.


Complete and utter nonsense!! (level of 70 shown for TP #26 in foto is abnormal - the abnormal part is that there's any measurable signal there at all since TP26 I believe is the spot beam for San Antonio)

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Posted 27 July 2006 - 07:19 PM

I'm just alittle above and to the left of the "Y" in Youngstown.

My D* when out for 3 minutes and then returned.

Come on, this does not look that bad. Should I expect a outage over a little rain come through?

The WAF drop again tonight. I don't know if she will let me now put on a 76cm (30") dish nor to I think it will change that much.


What are your signal strength readings for transponders #4 and #20 on the 101 sat? Given your location I would expect these two should be well up there, certainly in the 90s and approaching 100
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Posted 27 July 2006 - 07:38 PM

Is this entire thread trying to explain thet the H-20s signal is okay if it is in the 70s?



Quite the contrary. If the H-20s signal levels are in the 70s on the 101 bird, you might want to go outside and cut down whatever it is that's blocking it ;) (far northern locales notwithstanding)

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Posted 28 July 2006 - 11:15 AM

Cap'n Preshoot - Where did you find the spec (gain) on the AT9?



Still no specs found on the AT9. However, my satellite guy that does the big commercial systems in town did find some antenna design engineering info which suggests that using the same physical sized reflector and approx same focal length to the LNB that Ka performance would be approx 5 dB greater than at Ku frequencies.

The problem is Ka (20 Ghz) suffers more from atmospheric absorption (rain fade) than Ku (12 Ghz) so we may find out that real world performance is at best equal.
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Posted 29 July 2006 - 10:18 AM

Does not the distance from the new AT9 dish to the reciever have a big impact? Or so I was told.

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 10:59 AM

No more so than it does for any other dish. Signal is signal. It all suffers from feedline losses which is one of many reasons they recommend RG6. However, in my own installation where you see those 90s and 100 readings on my H20 receiver (photo above), the feedline length between the dish and receiver is approx 100 feet.

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 06:20 PM

The AT9 is a bit more critical with regard to cable length due to the DC current draw at the dish. That is why DirecTV recommends/specifies using RG6 with solid copper center conductor for the AT9 - less DC voltage drop than with copper clad steel. If you drop too much voltage in the feedline, the LNB assemblies may not function properly.

As far as the signal from the dish to the receiver, it should be no more critical than with any other dish.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 10:04 AM

H-20 WILL show ALOT less. (no Doubt). R-15 ALSO shows about 4 to 5 pioints less ALSO. Same dish same MSW. Same cable run.

Personally here in the southesast. It doesnt matttter if is a P3 18/20 OR the At-9 , If ya get 84% on trans 1 on the 101 with the h-20. YOU ARE MAX-ed!.

Standard ird's(d-11) will show 98% on the same transponder.

Did 2 this week.

PS. you people getting these at-9 put on your roof are Not thinking!> There ARE quite the horror stories over these "wanna be" HSP techs doing this. What about a lady calls and says >" my sig went out".. Then a few min passes.. she calls again= "Hey not only do i not have TV.. i have water running on my head". TRue story and Not the only one of this nature by far!.

IF the techs do NOT use a tri mast support bracket system on the install. Then DO NOT have the thing put on the roof. Pay for a 2" pole mt if ya have too. Trust me. Lol.

Ps. when the H-20 hit the market. I called DTv "insiders" and Excalimed the sig strength depiction (or lack of). From the horses mouth> "its normal and to be expected). he he..

Those of you that have a Tivo AND a r-15. Go check your sig's. You'll see a small variance there also most likely in the sig depiction per IRD.

As for the D-tech post of the At-9 install. Brother you better call and raise Cane. That thing "aint" gonna stay if it doesnt have lag bolts hitting Real attic studs period or dont have the tri mast support brackets. Dont become "that story" above. Another story is a storm came : "dish weight and roof adaption wasnt to par and was another HSP hurry up offense install. = Result> an AT_9 swinging by cble through a large glass window. Lmao.. another true story.

Anybody thinking of getting this thing(at-9). Get a local install outfit and Keep that HSP racket away from your house. History says so trust me.

Untrained, no tenure, and forced to hurry due to overloaded wk schedules or face fines> who suffers. hmmmm.. that would be YOU the cust now wouldnt it.

Funny now that DTV periodically tells its own cust to call "someone else" other than THEIR approved and contract hOlding home service providers.. got a call 2 days ago from this same senerio as a matter of fact. Install date is so far out that DTv told their OWN cust to call me Because of Bruister (HSP) and their well known BS in this area. Public perception IS now in the gutter. DTV has a ******* child as a HSP around here and they Know it!

Quality and time out from order to install is a JOKE. Serv calls from the Bruister racket and All these subs they use is aweful!. heck the HSP's now days are nothing but call centers. The work due to no staff or qualified techs is then subbed to some other fly by night outfit. you dont even have a true HSP tech most of the time at your hm period.

Ive been after 3 Hsp installs in 2 days as a matter of fact. 1 At-9 was also in this mix and debachery!

CALL LOCAL approved DTV authorized dealers. This racket of the HSP is not for any home owner to experience Imho.! I SEE it evey **** day!

Enough rambling of truth... But yeah the H-20 shows 84% at its Max sig in the southeast. Ive never scene it any higher on the 101 trans 1 . Network 99 and the 119 will be higher though. Net 99 will max out at 100% if the thing is done right. Funny i dont ever see what i read here.. wonder why that IS..? hmmmm im paid properly, the job is done way beyond required and the cx smiles and there is NEVER a serv call. = STAY AWAY FROM THE HSP & Get a technicians not just "some installer".. there is a great difference in the 2 words of description (tech vs installer = night and day).

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 10:31 AM

H-20 WILL show ALOT less. (no Doubt). R-15 ALSO shows about 4 to 5 pioints less ALSO. Same dish same MSW. Same cable run.

Personally here in the southesast. It doesnt matttter if is a P3 18/20 OR the At-9 , If ya get 84% on trans 1 on the 101 with the h-20. YOU ARE MAX-ed!.


How do you explain the 94 on TP 1 and the other 90s and 100s shown on the H20 snapshot posted above in this same thread? That isn't trick photography and I'm not in here schilling for D*. In that photo the H20 is connected to a Winegard DS3101 (1-meter dish) through an A/B switch, proving that if the signal is there the H20 will proudly display it.

Agreed, the AT9 does NOT belong on your roof unless the installer hits a main attic stud (rafter) with the main foot as well as with both of the strut rods. Three-point contact, all three into studs/rafters, not roof decking material. No exception, period. Please note the period. That dish weighs 32 pounds and has 5-1/4 square feet of wind load surface area. It has absolutely got to be anchored solidly.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 11:13 AM

Dont know where a got the 90 from lol... Ive never scene it. BUT i do notice your "shot says" 101 net (0)..

I just print what my HANDS see and feel. I dont want to be tooooo cocky here but bro you are talking to a 12 yr DTV (and every sat dish made for that matter) TECHNICIAN. From 3 weeks after DTV hit the sky as a matter of fact.

And FYI the dish doesnt weigh 32 lbs. Try in the upper 40"S. Ups stamps it at 45 lbs in the ship. its closer to 50 lol..


Heck this thread made me just check the diff readings from the Old Hughes gxe tivo i have and the r-15 hooked to the same tv. (i use i piority AV switch + turn off one the other appears. No buttons. nothing).. And the r-15 shows 93-94 and the OLD tivo shows 97/98 trans 1. So my conclusion IS every advanced rec DTV makes now days as new production market to cust shows less than ANY stand rec or old rec made period> end of sentence. .

I have No idea how ya got the 90 reading. You must BE the only one in the country or something. An thats a H-20 with a at-9?. I dont doubt ya.. I just KNOW what i SEE tangibly every week. Ive done 4 At-9's in about 7 days. Nothing over 84% trans 1 and never saw any higher since the induction of the H-20 even when we were still on the P3 18/20> Like i said doesnt matter what dish is attached. It freaked me out when the 2nd H-20 i ever saw did the same. I pulled a string and went to talking. Answered w/ the measuring software included within the H-20 and considered normal. Since then i walked on. And every d-11 will be (when IM trough w/the at-9) at 98% here trans 1.

Also, BTW not to be grandious. But you just may be talking to the first tech in the central part of this state to ever touch a AT-9.

Roof > Nada.. > of all of them ive done ive only put 2 on a structure period. ALL i do (75$ extra charge though) are on 16 guage 2' poles. The pole has 2 holes in the bottom about 6 inches up that i put a Dial pin through. (usually a 1/2 long bolt w/ nut). This is when the concrete set completely there IS NO twist(or spin) to occur withi the footing/ concrete. ITS THERE!. If there is No dial pin of sorts in the pole... well a round pole will spin now wont it. the installers now days are a pure joke dude. they have no clue. (lmao). the 2 on the structures = 1 car port (non living space and only reason was to obtain Line of site in a forest) with support struts from a FTA 1.8 > Real supports in other wards. The other on a barn. Each has/had. REaL roofing bul consuming the WHOLE foot and at each support bracket penetration.

The rest go on a pole... Lol... But then again i dont get paid this BS of today either. Each At-9 will pay me well over 225$ per .

i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YA SEE 90 THERE THOUGH. Heck i can peak to 100% on net 99 and 119 even and the h-20 shows 84% on the 101 every single time. he he..

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 11:20 AM

OK ...
Here is the radar of the weather ...

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I'm just alittle above and to the left of the "Y" in Youngstown.

My D* when out for 3 minutes and then returned.

Come on, this does not look that bad. Should I expect a outage over a little rain come through?

The WAF drop again tonight. I don't know if she will let me now put on a 76cm (30") dish nor to I think it will change that much.

Looking at that radar, you have some pretty big thunderstorms to the SW. These are what block the signal from the sats. This is why you can get signal loss before the storm actually gets to your house.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 11:51 AM

OH i re-read. your on a wingard dish pointed straight at the local HD's? then using a AB to switch between 2 dishes > (?).

Hmmmmm. Then that says you only have ONE sig coming into the h-20 when the siwch "is clicked".. IS that Your set up?.. If so (one sig at a time>(?) elaberate please). Then ya may have just set a light off in my head. Lol.

So if one sig enters Only on the Ab sw .version then ya may have just found what causes the sig level desenigration when multiple sat inputs are occuring at one time.. hmmmmm.

Im just stabbing here.. hmmmm again.

What are ya pointing at with that w-guard btw.? Are ya a 2 dish solution with the AB sw?

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 12:07 PM

Oh another thing. Just this week ONLY after the download of the software to obtain the h-20 rec of hdlocals/ network ,, the thing wont even recognize the The 99 with a sig display period. (2 this week did this). channels visible w/o a H-20 meter display period on the 99. i fixing to call "that special somebody" again looks like.. But i think DTv is messing around up there some.. who knows.

Had a few other techs from across the country write/call me also this week w/ concern of transponder readings on the 3 nominal sats also. Now i didnt see what they described but its not just coinsidence.. cant be.. too many e-mails and calls to be isolated. i think DTv played with something this week.. Dont know what.. But something anyway... (chuckle)

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 12:07 PM

Comparing apples to oranges. :grin:

How do you explain the 94 on TP 1 and the other 90s and 100s shown on the H20 snapshot posted above in this same thread? That isn't trick photography and I'm not in here schilling for D*. In that photo the H20 is connected to a Winegard DS3101 (1-meter dish) through an A/B switch, proving that if the signal is there the H20 will proudly display it.



... I have No idea how ya got the 90 reading. You must BE the only one in the country or something. An thats a H-20 with a at-9?.



The Winegard DS3101 has about 6dB of gain more than the 18". The LNB capture footprint on the AT9 is about the sames as the 18".

Cap'n Preshoot, I love your setup. I'm planning on adding the Winegard 76cm dish. I wish could add the 100cm, but I would have a problem hiding it. I'm on a corner lot. :nono: Its like have three front yards.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 12:11 PM

A 18"??? HUH? No kidding (winguard VS a 18) i thought we were talking AT-9 in a compariosn. that 18 vs the Big "swath of the" winguard .. Your right = apples and oranges.

Foot print gain IS close your also right between the 18 and the AT-9


maybe i type faster than i read.. (?) Huh?

What *IS his set up.. Now im lost... .?

i just know that with a production DTV branded dish what happens.. i SEE it every day..

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 12:27 PM

Get ready for this ...

http://www.dbstalk.c...ead.php?t=61238
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 12:43 PM

Get ready for this ...

http://www.dbstalk.c...ead.php?t=61238



AHHHHHHHHH... lmao

Told ya a type faster than i read > THANK YOU btw.

So the winguard is the 101... Ahhh no wonder.. the 90's.

What does his at-9 show on the 101... lol.. i bet 77-84 somewhere.

Now that you guys got me to thinking. I do re-call seeing 86% one time i believe.. But never anything in the 90's period. Nominal is 84% though for sure.

So in otherwards my posts hold true. he "db-ed up" a FEW points with the Winguard. BUT the H-20 is still holding back on its display cause if that Winguard was on a d-11 that sig would def hit 99-100%= no doubt on the 101. Heck i do it here in bama on the 18" rd. Every trans 1 is 98% and sometime evens (2) will hit 99. A P3 will hit 100% if ya play with 32nd's of inch here on a d-11 for that matter even now and then.

Thanx again for showing me that .. now i dont feel lost or like a dumb ass.. he he..

Looks like he got rain fade 1 too many times and went to a better cure. LOL.

Nice. id like to know how its (2 dishes involved) wired per tv and if the winguard is the dominate dish or a single lined to tv. I think i understand where he s got the AB in the mix though.

Nice set up your right... thanx one more time!

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 03:37 PM

Yes, the Winegard is shooting at the 101 - and with only a 1.5db beamwidth it was so touchy about alignment that it was necessary to have it precision-aligned with a Drake 1000A meter, yielding more accurate results than your garden variety dish-aimer, I feel it even out-performs a BirdDog when it comes down to brass tacks of being absolutely dead on.

The A/B switch toggles the H20 receiver between the AT9 and the Winegard DS3101 purely for rain fade reasons, which is what that other thread was all about. Folks kept whining about rain fade and I simply wanted them to see what it took for us to solve it. It wasn't magic, just an $85 dish and more coax. ;)

The A/B switch idea came about because when we added the AT9 all of a sudden we needed a 2nd cable run for the OTA antenna. Since the old Winegard feed was still in place it was only logical to utilize that and diplex the OTA into that line then peel it off downstairs ahead of the A/B switch and then use the big signal from the Winegard as a backup when rain washes out the AT9. Bottom line is that the AT9 is a compromise and as such performs as you would expect any compromise antenna to perform. If you are festidious about maximizing signal performance on every bird, the only way to do that is with an antenna farm of individual dishes and, given enough real estate to hang 'em all, the bigger the better.

Signal levels on the 101 bird from the AT9 are in the mid to upper 80s, with TP28 (Houston locals) burying the pin at 100). The point of this post was to show the nay-sayers that the H20 signal levels were not limited to just the 70s and 80s. Hook that sucker up to a high performance dish and you suddenly see 90s and 100s.

The H20 will display whatever signal level you give it. They're displaying 70s for folks because that's what's coming down from the antenna. Don't blame the H20.

By the way, the AT9 should have gain figures which closely approximate the Gainmaster product, but given the substantially lower levels being seen from AT9s hooked up to H20 receivers I don't think that's going to be the case. Hopefully the manufacturers will post those performance figures before I die.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 04:04 PM

Cap'n Preshoot, I love your setup. I'm planning on adding the Winegard 76cm dish. I wish could add the 100cm, but I would have a problem hiding it. I'm on a corner lot. :nono: Its like have three front yards.


No offense Scott, but I wouldn't waste 75¢ on a 76cm dish. The 3dB you'll give up versus the DS3101 will be sorely missed. 3dB is half power. You're going to sacrifice half your signal level going with 76cm vs 100cm

Screw the homeowner's assn. Read the FCC rule. The rule allows up to a 1 meter dish which is what the DS3101 is.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 07:01 PM

I bet if ya hoo up a d-11 to that winguard . you'll peg it out on the 101 on trans 1 and 2. Try is for arguement sake.

Then tell me its Not in the H-20. Why would a d-11 on the SAME dish show 98% and the h-20 in the same rm /same cable.. (all same) show a lesser sig (tops at 80's).

I cant agree w/ ya on the >" dont blame the H-20" sorry. these hands and feet walk it everyday. TANGIBILITY IS MORE THAN words can ever be.

Then again I SEE EVERY new production adv rec do the Same exact thing.

HEck right here loose i 5 "points" between a r-15 and a Gxe tivo.

Oh and those B-dog's and those meters. Ha.. i think they are for Wusses. takes No art. the meter does the work and any child can spin the dish till "locked" flashes... lmao.

Never believed in the "cheating devices" = I'm old school (and OLD lol) inclometer and point /peak with a needle and whine. though i do use a digisat digital on the "basic installs".

Summarry.. your Wingaurd took a 84-86% sig & eleveted it. H-20 STILL holding ya by on screen meter cuase ill lay money on the d-11 will peg that thing out.

Further more so there's No confusion .. its a ON screen meter thing w/ the H-20. Not the sig coming in. Its internal on the meter on the r-15 also remem?!? Those numbers mean jack in otherwards and are not reliable imo..

Senerio. : large 3 story hm with 18 prewire cbls in attic. Cust wants r-15. = R-15 will NOT produce "back fed tone" to attic(most times). I always use a d-11 to feed the tone through the cbls to eleimate "the walk and chase" of the destination of where the r-15 will be located.(ie find which cble). Before the switch and placement of the r-15 the d-11 puts 98% on the screen. I unscrew cables and place the r-15 in the same EXact place. that number goes to 93-95%. SAme exact senerio with a H-20 will put that *onscreen meter at 84%. SO what is the verdict and logic????? hmmmmm

Dont think i havent played diagnostic on this mess.. (lol).. I also have a compulsive disorder... LMAO
Its the reading meter of the adv rec's OR sig depletion within the IRD. Its not dish related as far as corelation to those on screen meters because the same cabl in the same EXacy location on a d-11 will show a extremely higher sig. Oh and the
guy" i called with the H-20 (2nd time i saw one and discovery of sig reading).. He's on developement technology as a job. SO.. What I SEE and he said tells me the h-20 meter is a joke of acuracy. =simple.

Do me a favor > hook the d-11 or d-10 (which ever ya got) to that winguard and see where ive been.. he he

BTW.. thanx for the explainations and such . Im too cocky to feel like a dumb ass. ya know... he he eh he.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 07:28 PM

Ya know sump'n D_Bamatech, you got me to thinking.

This evening we got hold of the Drake 1000A sat meter again and decided to set about the task of putting the "super-tweak" on that AT9.

Well, seems there's something rotten in denmark besides the cheese here. I think we actually might have discovered something. I think that combo LNB (99-101-103) on the AT9 is not all that it appears and may be kind of a sick puppy.

Absolute best we could ever bring in on the AT9 dish trying to tweak-in on the 101 (using transponder 1 as our reference) was an '84' and buddy I mean we worked for that.

But satisfied beyond any doubt that our mast was dead-level plumb and 84 was the best we were going to see on 101, we next retweaked the skew on the 119 and nailed a solid 100 on transponders 26, 27, 28, 30 and 32. Hmmmm.. something's wrong here, very wrong. Back to 101/TP1 and we're still at 84. Nudge left, nudge right, nudge up, nudge down, nope, 84 is it.

So grab hold of this... We next tried an 18" round dish sitting on a tripod in the driveway with a standard dual LNB and sighted-in on the 101 once more. This time TP1 gave us a solid 92.

Back on the roof, reconnected the coax to the AT9 and rechecked 101 TP-1 and it was still on 84. Back to the little dish in the driveway and still on 92.

Well now, isn't that special?

All of this is very unscientific, but this test suggests (to me at least) that they're doing something inside that triple LNB that isn't quite Kosher. And if true, the phones at DTV customer service are going to ring. If the main beam (101) is that much "down" from a plain old standard 18" single LNB dish then subscribers with new AT9s are going to be screaming.

In case anyone should be curious, the AT9 in this test has a sticker on the back that says "WNC" which I think refers to the manufacturer.
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Posted 30 July 2006 - 07:42 PM

SEE now the 84 aint a figment of this mind .. Now is it.. Thats the "special Number" .. Must be. Lol

Do the d-1/d-11 at the H-20 location FED BY THE winguard.. tell me what ya see...

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Never a HSP or A msp. This Nmae i carry IS QUITE known. National IC awards to boot. NOT 1 service call in the whole tenure. NOT 1 No call No show> You are talking to the REAL one. brother.. trust me.

Now if ya start all that talk of mhz and BS.. then Illl ask for laymans terms i admit. otherwise.. i drive a SOLID train.. he he..

PS.. try to get the 84% with a non cheating meter. Lol.. see what Art it takes. ha.... im talking 32nd's and 64th brother... And yep your right .. ya peged 119 out didnt ya.. ..Hey ya need a job!!!??? lmao

You just did what MOST of these HSP techs just watch for 2 days in a training rm on a video screen. They cant do it in the field.. So maybe ya should come to work for US... LMAO again.

Oh yeah tht nifty little NICE quote ya got.. Well YOU ARE LIEING... ha hahaha.. Your adjectives and display of intellect (NON dish related) told me tooo much to believ that noise(quote w/ cherrio reference.).

ALSO.. i beleive just as you do also on the LNB deal. that thing doesnt do the job as it should. First impresion when i unbocked the First AT-9 was > "what in the world or these "micky mouse lnb combiner leads gonna do and how dang long will they last..".. lol. The AT-9 is a abortion in its design. Its "chunk" with all that UNneeded weight is a joke. Those fine adjustment "knobs" are foolish poorly constructed BS!. Heck i dont even use that BS 9fine adjust) at all!. = ole school remem. Another thing EVERY brass bolt on this thing is a poor poor excuse for bolt composition. Its cheap sorry construed metal. They will break in a heart beat!.

Went behind a HSP last saturday. :> (3) At-9's were on site. ALL where destroyed except one(which retailer drop shiped NEW) . WHY? Untrained underpaid idiots not knowing what they are doing. They had over tighten stuff and not "pulled the pin" on the fine adjestment and broke everything .. LOL. Now mind ya this is a brand new home and had 3 HSP techs try to do this thing. .. the 2nd one drove a 2' pole throught the mans underground phone line also in the process. Man had NO phone OR TV.. cause of a HSP// (hey that rhymes LMAO)!)

Have you ever scene the training video that DTv submitts to do the AT-9? Want a BIG BIG laugh?

http://www.solidsign...tall_videos.asp..

watch the 5 parts... he he.. I think they over talked it huh? Imagine a 19 yr old NEW green tech watching this mess for 2 days.. Then turned loose in the field WITH A DRILL in a "pretty white van" after 3 days to 3 weeks riding in a van with somebody. I cant help but laugh.. Its shameful. DTv wanted to go All in house for control. Well i tell them on the phone ON EVERY HSP re-vamp or call that a national retailer gives me. = By damn this it what DTV wanted and By damn this is what they got.. "..=. 10 hr$ idiots.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 08:17 PM

You just did what MOST of these HSP techs just watch for 2 days in a training rm on a video screen. They cant do it in the field.. So maybe ya should come to work for US)


Nope, thanks all the same.
I did a 10-year stint up North (ITASKA, ILL) as a Region Engr for Cox Cable many years ago and decided then and there I'd had enough of dealing with the public and shoveling snow to last me a lifetime. I'm still in communications today but with a major player in the energy "bidness". I'll have 20 in with these folks next month and just turned 60, so in a couple more years "me an momma" (as Jerry Clower would have said) are fixin' to hang up the spurs, get ourselves a 5th wheel trailer, hitch it up to a shiny new Dodge 1-ton Diesel dually and drive off into the sunset. Wheee!
The Cable and Satellite TV industry does not hold the patent on alienating its customers, but COMCAST in particular has succeeded in making an art form of it, garnering them the distinction of "Most Universally Despised" of all PAY-TV providers in the industry.

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Posted 30 July 2006 - 08:45 PM

Nope, thanks all the same.
I did a 10-year stint up North (ITASKA, ILL) as a Region Engr for Cox Cable many years ago and decided then and there I'd had enough of dealing with the public and shoveling snow to last me a lifetime. I'm still in communications today but with a major player in the energy "bidness". I'll have 20 in with these folks next month and just turned 60, so in a couple more years "me an momma" (as Jerry Clower would have said) are fixin' to hang up the spurs, get ourselves a 5th wheel trailer, hitch it up to a shiny new Dodge 1-ton Diesel dually and drive off into the sunset. Wheee!


Do the d-11/d-10 to the winguard for me and ill shut up. i promise. he he.
That should close this book for ya. i know it did me within ONE week Of the H-20 introduction . Then came the At-9 which ... well.. im no fan no matter what the laymen of this board think about the thing. i hear all the gloification and BS.. but i guess thats why they are layman " TV watchers" and not technicianss.. HUH??? ha ha..

The AT-9 design is pure pittiful! > overweighed poorly hardwared and CHEAP design. this new one they got coming they say is better with considerable weight reduction.. we'll see...

Well your tenure deserves the rest and relaxation.. Ive still got a 4 in the front of my age. And just so ya know. i dont just do DTV. I do all grey rd / oval things. Major Commercial jobs ect. 2300 ft of plenum rg-6 going in one now to be exact which is XM radio for 10 operating rms in a regional med center.. So nah im not the adverage DTv guy. I do national DTV fullfillment and the tenure and stellar rep and record put my name on ALOT of call lists. (hehe) . If i wanted to be real grandious id provide a link here where my name is IN lights on the web right now for a 37 state award. Im a fireman for the dish world it seems.. lmao.. i guess. i put out fires for the self contrued arsonsits of DTv managemnet.. .. he he. And get this i do Service work for Sears and that abortion of a stacked LNB system called Dish network.. So yeah im well rounded. Hey but ya know what still tickles me?.. when i do a Internet dish and the thing downloads at 1.6 from the sky.. I still smile like a kid on christmas when that happens. Unbelievable at times still to this day.

PPPS: thanks for the convo.. i enjoyed it. Nice to talk with a VET ya know. There's NOT many left that can hold your type of convo. So Kudo's!

Just do the d-11 or some Norm stand rec to the winguard for me.. I wont sleep well till ya do.. (he he)

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 06:45 AM

You're going to have lots of sleepless nights then fella because I do not have a D11 or D10. What I have is the H20 (new) and an old Hughes Platinum HD E86 and a couple old RCA 420s, all of which pretty much agree (within 4 or 5 points) of each other.

However, I think our discussion is beginning to drift away from the importance of the discovery made late yesterday afternoon when we determined, to my satisfaction anyway, that the new AT9 5-LNB dish, seems to have a problem with signals from the 101 main beam. In fact it might be worthwhile to open up a separate thread just on the topic of AT9 signal performance.

In the meantime if someone else can do a similar comparison, comparing the signal levels from a properly aligned AT9 on the 101 bird to the same signal from a standard 18" round dish, at the same site using the same receiver we might be able to start building a case against the desirability (or advisability) of having the AT9, particularly in those areas where OTA reception is available.

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