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Use the Sun to Site New Satellite Dish


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#26 OFFLINE   litzdog911

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Posted 07 October 2006 - 01:16 AM

Glad you found it useful!
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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:58 PM

Had great success yesterday with this. So much better than guessing. Here's my pix. Can anyone guess which bird I have not been getting for the past couple weeks since I temporarily mounted the dish on the ground?

So, I could mount it at the peak into the brick, which my wife does not want me to do, or mount it on a pole that gets it up above the trees. The trees are all 50 years old and thus mature (unlikely to grow more). Is it unrealistic to think I can get that high on a pole without wind wreaking havoc on my signal? I may mount on the brick only about second-story high as opposed to the peak. That would be safer as I would not survive an accidental fall from the peak :)

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 03:19 PM

Had great success yesterday with this. So much better than guessing. Here's my pix. Can anyone guess which bird I have not been getting for the past couple weeks since I temporarily mounted the dish on the ground?

So, I could mount it at the peak into the brick, which my wife does not want me to do, or mount it on a pole that gets it up above the trees. The trees are all 50 years old and thus mature (unlikely to grow more). Is it unrealistic to think I can get that high on a pole without wind wreaking havoc on my signal? I may mount on the brick only about second-story high as opposed to the peak. That would be safer as I would not survive an accidental fall from the peak :)


It looks like you could mount on the brick above your current pole location (above that window?). Your pole could be extended that high and anchored to the brick using a couple of "monopole" braces, but it would probably look better to just mount the dish on the brick.

You didn't post your picture for the 110-deg satellite .... hopefully it's good at that location, too.
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Posted 10 October 2006 - 03:40 PM

Today was the primary day for Seattle for the Sun sighting. I was able to easily confirm many locations - super tool, thanks Litzdog911 for providing us with the information necessary to make use of this.

Although I don't need it, I can see 72.5 from a couple of locations, and 99, 101, 103, 110 and 119 with no problem from many locations. No question now as to where the AT9 will go when I eventually upgrade.

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 12:24 PM

Glad you found it useful!


Wow- what excellent info- thanks!

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 12:34 PM

Wow- what excellent info- thanks!


Glad it helped you. Of course, we're well past the optimal days to use the Sun's position until the next window in March 2007. But there are usually days every month where the moon is very close.
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Posted 14 February 2007 - 01:54 AM

Time to bump this thread again as we approach the next window in early March where the Sun's location and its shadows can help you find the best sites for a new or relocated satellite dish.

Jump back to the first message in this thread for more details. And post back here if you have any questions.
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 07:21 PM

Watch your Daylight Savings Time!

When I get a chance I will test this tool to see if it properly handles the new Daylight Savings Time dates. I'm guess it does not. If your optimum dates falls on or after March 11, 2007, double check the local time provided by the tool with the true time in UTC/GMT. You might need to adjust by one hour.
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Posted 16 February 2007 - 04:22 PM

Great tool. I've been having fits finding a spot ,amongst the trees, in Lake Tahoe to get a reliable signal from E* 129 Satellite. I've always wondered if the Sun could be used to locate a Satellite and check LNB focus on my 30" dish using small mirrors glued to the reflector. I can hardly wait until March 4th to give it a "smoke" test .

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Posted 16 February 2007 - 05:31 PM

Great tool. I've been having fits finding a spot ,amongst the trees, in Lake Tahoe to get a reliable signal from E* 129 Satellite. I've always wondered if the Sun could be used to locate a Satellite and check LNB focus on my 30" dish using small mirrors glued to the reflector. I can hardly wait until March 4th to give it a "smoke" test .


Just don't overheat the LNB. Let us know how this works.
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 11:35 AM

Can someone let me know if I am reading this right.

Lat is 34.12
Long is -84.3

so for sats
99.2W - I get Satellite position is at 201.0, so I should look on my compass for that reading?

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 04:09 PM

Can someone let me know if I am reading this right.

Lat is 34.12
Long is -84.3

so for sats
99.2W - I get Satellite position is at 201.0, so I should look on my compass for that reading?


Using the website litzdog911 linked to at the start of this thread, and entering your data...
longitude 84.3 W, lattitude 34.12 N, Satellite 99.2 W
I get an azimuth to the satellite of 205.38 degrees true, with a declination of -5.51. So your magnetic (compass) reading should be 199.87

Or, you can go outside and look at where the sun is at 10:56 am PST on March 6th. (Adjust for your time zone)

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 05:55 PM

If this blizzard clears up I'll be doing this on Sunday. I want to see how close a tree is to the edge of 99/101 to see if I have some trimming to do in the next year or so.

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 06:03 PM

If this blizzard clears up I'll be doing this on Sunday. I want to see how close a tree is to the edge of 99/101 to see if I have some trimming to do in the next year or so.


I check mine every year for the same reason. Makes it very easy to see how close interfering trees have grown.

Also, remember that any dates within a week on either side of the "ideal" dates will work fine, too.
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 07:41 PM

Thanks, I looked this afternoon since the sun was almost in the right spot and took some pictures. Now I just have to tell the installer where to put the dish since 3 different ones say that trees are in the way because they don't know where to point the dish to start with.

I'm about ready to cancel, but I can't because of Sunday Ticket.

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 10:53 AM

Guys, take advantage of this. My wife is really interested in Sky Angel which is at 61.5 which I thought for sure was blocked by a tree. But nope, it's a lot higher in the sky then I thought when I checked it this morning. It's way above the tree anywhere in my backyard.

So take advantage the next week or so if someone is telling you you've got no line of sight. Those sats are a lot higher in the sky then you might think.

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 11:41 PM

So take advantage the next week or so if someone is telling you you've got no line of sight. Those sats are a lot higher in the sky then you might think.

Believe it or not, there are people in the continental US that reside over 2000 miles West of you. Where I live, the elevation is just under 12 degrees above the horizon. In Seattle, the elevation is just under 11 degrees. Echostar 12, the lone satellite at 61.5, is quite a ways out over the Atlantic Ocean.

Which Dish Network receiver would you get?

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 09:27 AM

Believe it or not, there are people in the continental US that reside over 2000 miles West of you. Where I live, the elevation is just under 12 degrees above the horizon. In Seattle, the elevation is just under 11 degrees. Echostar 12, the lone satellite at 61.5, is quite a ways out over the Atlantic Ocean.

Which Dish Network receiver would you get?


Oh I understand completely. I was just suprised at how much higher all the sats were in the sky then I thought they were and I'd bet many other people may think the same. For example I was really concerned about a tree blocking 99/101 in a couple years but both are *way* above the tree and will never have an issue.

As for Sky Angel, I really don't want to get it. Mainly because I'd have to bury another cable in the yard to the house and I put in a patio a couple years ago which really causes an issue with that. Plus I could care less about the channels myself but if she really wants them...

I brought up the list of Sky Angel channels for my wife and asked her what was on there that she really wanted that wasn't already on DirecTV. The main one she wanted DirecTV already has and DirecTV does have some other church channels and the music channel is actually available OTA to us as a subchannel of the local Pax station. So for $15 a month she might get all of one channel, maybe two. Not worth it in my book. We'll see what kind of toy I can negotiate out of it if she really wants to get it. :D

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 02:26 PM

I'm sure you're extremely busy but I'm trying to calculate where the sun in relation to the satellites so that I may place my dish in the optimal location on my property. I'm located at 76.38 W and 39.10 N. Can you let me what time the sun will be in the correct location for tomorrow 3/12 for all 5 sats? 99, 101, 103, 110, and 119?

Thank you so much

I'm just a newbie trying to figure it all out. Of coarse you know D* already told me that my yard will not work....but I've had D* for 4 years putting it in place myself.

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I check mine every year for the same reason. Makes it very easy to see how close interfering trees have grown.

Also, remember that any dates within a week on either side of the "ideal" dates will work fine, too.



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Posted 11 March 2007 - 08:36 PM

Monday March 12th at 12:00 noon (pacific daylight time), the sun will be approximately where the 101 satellite is. The satellite will be just a tiny bit lower than the sun.

Same day at approximately 1:17 pm (PDT) the sun will be approximately where the 119 degree satellite is. Again, the sun will be about 3 degrees higher than the satellite.

If you have a clear view of the sun from about 11:50 am to 1:30 pm, you can see all of the satellites.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 09:14 AM

I found this thread after my dish was installed and was disappointed that I had missed the March dates for the sun to check my positioning. After checking the site, I realized there were dates in April of 2007 that the moon would be in the right position as well. While moon shadows are not as easy, I thought I could at least get an idea of where the satellites would be in relation to a tree south of me on my neighbor's lot. I camped out in my backyard for a couple of hours last night with my camera on a tripod and got the following pictures at the times listed on the site for each satellite I am very pleased to see that the satellites are much higher in the sky than it would appear if you look at the dish. It will be several years before the tree is going to be a problem, if ever.

Thank you to litzdog911 for this great tool!

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:40 AM

This theory worked for me.I found a spot to mount my spare 2 lnb dish in case something happens to the slimline.
Thank god i saved them old dig safe flags!!

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:45 AM

heres a pic of my spare dish i keep it inside so when i need it i can just put it ouside& tweak the azumith and woooooo hoooooooo TV.:)

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 01:28 PM

One 5-LNB slimline on the roof, one on the back deck. Hot spare if you will. Right now one is feeding a test SWM, the other is feeding my regular system.

Here is the sun at 99 and 119.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 02:39 PM

Here is the sun at 99 and 119.

Carl

Were those taken on the date in March when elevation and azimuth of the sun match the respective satellite(s)?




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