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Use the Sun to Site New Satellite Dish


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#41 OFFLINE   bonscott87

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 10:53 AM

Guys, take advantage of this. My wife is really interested in Sky Angel which is at 61.5 which I thought for sure was blocked by a tree. But nope, it's a lot higher in the sky then I thought when I checked it this morning. It's way above the tree anywhere in my backyard.

So take advantage the next week or so if someone is telling you you've got no line of sight. Those sats are a lot higher in the sky then you might think.

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Posted 04 March 2007 - 11:41 PM

So take advantage the next week or so if someone is telling you you've got no line of sight. Those sats are a lot higher in the sky then you might think.

Believe it or not, there are people in the continental US that reside over 2000 miles West of you. Where I live, the elevation is just under 12 degrees above the horizon. In Seattle, the elevation is just under 11 degrees. Echostar 12, the lone satellite at 61.5, is quite a ways out over the Atlantic Ocean.

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#43 OFFLINE   bonscott87

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 09:27 AM

Believe it or not, there are people in the continental US that reside over 2000 miles West of you. Where I live, the elevation is just under 12 degrees above the horizon. In Seattle, the elevation is just under 11 degrees. Echostar 12, the lone satellite at 61.5, is quite a ways out over the Atlantic Ocean.

Which Dish Network receiver would you get?


Oh I understand completely. I was just suprised at how much higher all the sats were in the sky then I thought they were and I'd bet many other people may think the same. For example I was really concerned about a tree blocking 99/101 in a couple years but both are *way* above the tree and will never have an issue.

As for Sky Angel, I really don't want to get it. Mainly because I'd have to bury another cable in the yard to the house and I put in a patio a couple years ago which really causes an issue with that. Plus I could care less about the channels myself but if she really wants them...

I brought up the list of Sky Angel channels for my wife and asked her what was on there that she really wanted that wasn't already on DirecTV. The main one she wanted DirecTV already has and DirecTV does have some other church channels and the music channel is actually available OTA to us as a subchannel of the local Pax station. So for $15 a month she might get all of one channel, maybe two. Not worth it in my book. We'll see what kind of toy I can negotiate out of it if she really wants to get it. :D

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Posted 11 March 2007 - 02:26 PM

I'm sure you're extremely busy but I'm trying to calculate where the sun in relation to the satellites so that I may place my dish in the optimal location on my property. I'm located at 76.38 W and 39.10 N. Can you let me what time the sun will be in the correct location for tomorrow 3/12 for all 5 sats? 99, 101, 103, 110, and 119?

Thank you so much

I'm just a newbie trying to figure it all out. Of coarse you know D* already told me that my yard will not work....but I've had D* for 4 years putting it in place myself.

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I check mine every year for the same reason. Makes it very easy to see how close interfering trees have grown.

Also, remember that any dates within a week on either side of the "ideal" dates will work fine, too.



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Posted 11 March 2007 - 08:36 PM

Monday March 12th at 12:00 noon (pacific daylight time), the sun will be approximately where the 101 satellite is. The satellite will be just a tiny bit lower than the sun.

Same day at approximately 1:17 pm (PDT) the sun will be approximately where the 119 degree satellite is. Again, the sun will be about 3 degrees higher than the satellite.

If you have a clear view of the sun from about 11:50 am to 1:30 pm, you can see all of the satellites.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 09:14 AM

I found this thread after my dish was installed and was disappointed that I had missed the March dates for the sun to check my positioning. After checking the site, I realized there were dates in April of 2007 that the moon would be in the right position as well. While moon shadows are not as easy, I thought I could at least get an idea of where the satellites would be in relation to a tree south of me on my neighbor's lot. I camped out in my backyard for a couple of hours last night with my camera on a tripod and got the following pictures at the times listed on the site for each satellite I am very pleased to see that the satellites are much higher in the sky than it would appear if you look at the dish. It will be several years before the tree is going to be a problem, if ever.

Thank you to litzdog911 for this great tool!

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:40 AM

This theory worked for me.I found a spot to mount my spare 2 lnb dish in case something happens to the slimline.
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Posted 30 April 2007 - 10:45 AM

heres a pic of my spare dish i keep it inside so when i need it i can just put it ouside& tweak the azumith and woooooo hoooooooo TV.:)

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 01:28 PM

One 5-LNB slimline on the roof, one on the back deck. Hot spare if you will. Right now one is feeding a test SWM, the other is feeding my regular system.

Here is the sun at 99 and 119.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 02:39 PM

Here is the sun at 99 and 119.

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Were those taken on the date in March when elevation and azimuth of the sun match the respective satellite(s)?

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 05:04 PM

Were those taken on the date in March when elevation and azimuth of the sun match the respective satellite(s)?


Actually last October on the correct date and time. No sunshine this March on the proper dates.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 06:41 PM

Actually last October on the correct date and time. No sunshine this March on the proper dates.

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Very cool. :D

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 06:51 PM

Actually last October on the correct date and time. No sunshine this March on the proper dates.

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That can be a problem for us in Seattle! I was hoping to update my photos during the March window, but no sunny days. I have photos from March 2006, but need to keep tabs on some nearby trees.

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 06:54 PM

That can be a problem for us in Seattle! I was hoping to update my photos during the March window, but no sunny days. I have photos from March 2006, but need to keep tabs on some nearby trees.

Glad this information is useful to folks!

As I said above, it certainly reassured me to see the moon above those trees at the sync times. Thanks again! :)

BTW, for anyone who wondered why the picture of the 99 degree azimuth didn't seem to be in the same position as the others, I moved the tripod after that one because I thought I might not be able to get the moon in the frame at the 119 azimuth from the original camera position.

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Posted 03 July 2007 - 11:23 AM

Very nice to find this post now that I'm ready to ditch cable.

But after running the numbers for all 5 satellites, I have two questions.

First is that when I enter the satellite at 119.0, nothing happens. It seems that the largest number I can enter for the satellite is 118.2. After that there is no change. If anyone wants to check, I'm at 34.01N 118.3W

My second question is about the numbers I receive form this page (directv.com/DTVAPP/customer/dishPointer.jsp?) when I enter my zip code. It gives me 136.3 Azimuth and 46.3 Elevation. But the numbers I receive from the French Java applet never match the azimuth from the Directv website. I can get the right elevation (with satellite at 101.0) but the the right azinuth only comes with the satellite at 90.2, which I don't think it exists.

Since I'm a nubee regarding satellites I don't know if the non matching numbers matter or not, but I'm sure curious about what it means.

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the applet defaults to east longitude.
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Posted 18 July 2007 - 08:11 AM

Am I reading this right that the moon can be used tomorrow and Friday for this?

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 08:16 AM

And the time is showing -4 GMT but isn't Eastern time US -5 GMT?

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 08:43 AM

And the time is showing -4 GMT but isn't Eastern time US -5 GMT?



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Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:18 AM

EDT is -4 GMT EST is -5 GMT


True, but we are still 5 hours behind GMT right now. We always are except for the couple weeks a year where we change before the UK does.

So basically subtract an extra hour off the time they give.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 09:24 AM

True, but we are still 5 hours behind GMT right now. We always are except for the couple weeks a year where we change before the UK does.

So basically subtract an extra hour off the time they give.

GMT does NOT change with the seasons. EST is always GMT -5 and EDT is always GMT -4. BTW, GMT is now called Coordinated Universal Time. http://nist.time.gov...gi?Eastern/d/-5
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