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Can I choose which tuner does the recording?
Posted 25 October 2006 - 05:57 PM
Can I choose which tuner fulfills a given timer? I've tried to change the tuner for the past 30 minutes and CANNOT find the option (if it exists) to change the tuner. I've recreated the timer twice (once manually) and still no go. Why would I want to do this? HEre's the scenario:
My wife records a bunch of BS shows (soaps.. girly shows, etc). she typically watches the soaps every night off of TV1, so the tuner for TV1 (e.g. tuner 1) is not in use. I like to watch separate programming on TV2/Tuner 2 at night (baseball now) and the 622 INSISTS on recording night events on tuner 2 even though tuner 1 is open and there are no conflicts. This sucks for me because tuner2 is busy recording something I dont care for, and tuner 1 is busy showing soap operas.
sure, I could set tuner 1 to record the show I WANT to watch, then "play it back" simultaneously on tuner 2, but that's a cheesy way around it.
is there a way to determine which tuner records which timer?
Posted 25 October 2006 - 06:04 PM
Might provide some help in how to get around your issue.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 06:49 PM
i believe what ron barry said isn't correct.
if you look at the thread that he listed in his post - once you get to that thread, do down to the response by mike johnson.
once that document is open, you will see a nice, easy to understand chart that will give you settings that can determine whether TV1 or TV2 will be doing the recording.
also, if you originally had your 622 in single mode and change to dual mode , AND you will be using TV2 a lot - you will have most of the recording going on TV2 and run into a lot of conflicts where you will have to suspend recording in order to watch a different show.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 06:56 PM
What I was meaning was that there is no way to go to a specific event and say.. .I want this event on Tuner 1 or Tuner 2. The only caveat here is that you can say I want this event on the OTA tuner by specifically creating an timer for a specific OTA channel.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:04 PM
Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:05 PM
I appreciate the auto-tuner selection but there should be a manual way to override it.
actully the 622 JUST changed the tuner it was going to record LOST on - originally it was TV1 and now it switched to TV2. UGHHHhhhh.
as the link says... those ideas are basically workarounds.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:17 PM
Well after reading the document (Did not read it well when first posted) there is definitely a predictability to tuner selection in dual mode. I manual use my receivers in single mode so have not payed much attention to dual mode tuner conflict resolution.
Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:46 PM
If tuner 1 is recording a show, there's no way for TV1 to switch around to other channels?
Posted 25 October 2006 - 09:25 PM
Posted 25 October 2006 - 11:11 PM
I don't quite get it... Sorry I don't have a vip622 yet (it's getting installed tomorrow). So if I were to have dual mode, TV1 can only watch what's being recorded on tuner 1 plus recorded shows, and TV2 can only watch tuner 2 plus recorded shows?
If tuner 1 is recording a show, there's no way for TV1 to switch around to other channels?
That setup is one of the choices for Dual mode (no record plus) - Scenario 2 in the .pdf. You would use that where the dual output receiver was shared by two siblings - each gets their own tuner and output and can't force their recordings on the other kid. Scenario 3 & 4 enable Record Plus to set a default output to be used for recordings. If something is going to be recorded from Sat, one output or the other will have to watch that recording or something else already (being) recorded. If you are in Single mode, it is pretty easy to Swap to channel surf while something records. In Dual mode, it isn't easy. In either mode, a timer for a future sat recording doesn't have a TV1 or TV2 output associated with it. The receiver will display which is due to get used at the moment, but it is really just a timer for a future recording somewhere. By the time that recording triggers, you could have changed Record Plus to a different default, you could have pushed Single/Dual any number of times (which can clear or cause conflicts all by itself). The only future recording that has an output accociated with it is an OTA recording. If you hit the Record button for something that is on now, you do get a display of TV1 / TV2, but that changes the behavior of the receiver - it isn't scheduling a future timer to use a specific output. That's what Ron said (correctly) back at post 2. You can't set an output/tuner a show/timer, ... but you can change the receiver behavior for all shows/timers/...
Posted 26 October 2006 - 12:06 AM
Posted 26 October 2006 - 12:20 AM
i thought i understood the "dual mode with record plus" feature until now.
doesnt using the "record plus" (senariors #3 and #4) feature allow you to select which tv will be used for recording?
Posted 26 October 2006 - 02:17 AM
"allow you to select which tv will be used for recording" but not
"allow you to select which tv will be used for A recording".
Once you've picked TV2 as the default, you can't change the recording that is going to occur at 8PM on TV2 to use TV1 instead. You could do it indirectly - create a timer for some OTHER show at 8PM with a higher priority. That would cause it to be scheduled for TV2 and move the one that had been scheduled for TV2 to TV1.
A timer isn't marked as "I will record on TV2" - it is just something that needs to be recorded. If two things are due to start recording at the same time, the highest priority timer will go to the Record Plus choice and the other will go to the one that isn't the default. Single mode enables Record Plus to TV2.
Although the timer doesn't say "I'll record on TV2", each timer does remember which remote was used to create it. If you disable Record Plus, all the timers should eventually appear with the symbol for the remote that created them. If someone HAD to control this timer on TV1, this timer on TV2, ... you could disable Record Plus and keep changing remotes when you set the timers. There are times when you need to nudge the receiver to recompute where timers will fire and disable of Record Plus might require you to change some timer's priority to get them to be displayed correctly - not sure.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 11:02 AM
I know my wife and I did this for a while. We had certain shows that would record in the evening, and my daughter would often watch tuner 2 in the evening's before bed. we didn't want her to end up having to watch our recording shows, so we turned off record plus, and setup the recordings ourself on each TV to make sure the tuners worked correctly.
Personally I prefer record plus now, as you get less other issues.
However there is a simple solution.... Dish should update the receivers so you can change the tuner that will be used on an existing event!! It shouldn't be that hard, the trickiest part would be conflicts, but it could prompt you to choose what you want to do in case of a conflict.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 11:13 AM
Lets say you have alot of events for the day and you change your first events tuner. The result is a conflict so you need to either stop there or allow the user to resolve it. user resolves the conflict and thus creating another conflict and so on and so on. Add dual mode into this mix and I can see a lot of room for mistakes to be made and confusion. My guess here is that Dish wanted the tuner selection process to require as little user intervention as possible.
Most people (Away from this board), don't have the concept of tuners. They have the concept of recording shows and my guess is they did not want to provide such an option given this type of user base. Would be a nice feature I agree, but my guess is that it is not as simple as one might think.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 11:21 AM
Posted 26 October 2006 - 12:51 PM
I may be mistaken but I thought if you found the show in the guide you wanted to record and hit the record button on your remote instead of the select button an option window would pop up asking you to select tuner 1 or tuner 2 to record the show on. It may have been in the browse guide that only shows one channel at a time though. I'm in dual mode record plus for tuner 2. I'm not at home to do this the way I usually do but it works for me every time I've tried unless there is already a timer set up at that time. I've only had to do this three or four times but the most recent being this pass weekend. I'm almost curious enough to call and have my wife do this.
It doesn't ask you which tuner it, ask if you want to create a timer. It will default to the tuner that is availbale at that time and is the primary tuner.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 01:43 PM
The popup asking whch TV1/TV2 should be used will appear from a Record button but only if the show has started. This applies to the channel you are currently watching (live or buffered) and just hit the Record button.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 01:54 PM
I thought about manual changing of tuner assignment and on the surfice it seems simple, however, my gut tells me there is more than meets the eye.
I get a headache thinking about making the assignments myself. Consider Dual Mode w/o Record Plus and each gets their own recordings. Doesn't switching to Single automatically enable Record Plus and rearrange timer assignments? I know I've had timers change which shows are going to be skipped and recorded by switching between Single and Dual even with Record Plus for Dual. Just moving the priority of some timer to the top can change the assignments for several hours afterward. Maybe they could add something so you could move an upcoming recording, but it isn't simple.
Posted 26 October 2006 - 05:34 PM