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#26 OFFLINE   kbuente

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 04:31 AM

I found it funny that one of the Sky Angel channel's The Guardian Network carries "The A-Team".

Granted Mr. T is a Christian and I've seen him talk about following Christ on many shows but I'm not sure that all the shooting, even if you really don't see any bloodshed, is what we want in Christian programming....

I think I need to join their advisory board.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 08:16 AM

Unfortunately "The Advisory Board" only answers questions that it is asked. As with any service, a polite email or letter (put it on paper!) to SkyAngel with your concerns would be appropriate. SkyAngel doesn't control the content of the channels it picks up.
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Posted 12 April 2007 - 01:35 PM

Unfortunately "The Advisory Board" only answers questions that it is asked. As with any service, a polite email or letter (put it on paper!) to SkyAngel with your concerns would be appropriate. SkyAngel doesn't control the content of the channels it picks up.


True, but they do control the channels that they use.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 01:39 PM

They didn't drop FoxNews after hearing complaints about the content of the stories (sex, drugs and crime). :)
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:17 AM

They are violating so many of their original beliefs, statements it not even funny! first of all, what happened to CHRISTIAN? They keep losing Christian stations and adding secular?! Familyland is talking of leaving too!

They were supposed to be a ministry, not a business concerned with making a profit. for someone who is losing $ they have sure been investing in property (fl and tn)

furthermore they stated that lifetime subscribers would have all future channels included at no extra charge (which they have hnored over the past 10 yrs or so). Now they have added channels(for over a year) they want to take away unless we now pay for them. not even all subscribers though, just the lifetimers!

someone didn't do their job properly if they didn't realize how much it would cost them in advance.

they are REFUSING to let monthly subscribers drop the "special 4". they are also not planning to charge them $4.99 therefore there really is no basic/special tier as they are implying.


Whenever a "religous" organization offers you a lifetime deal for a set price, if you haven't learned the lesson many times before, be it Jim Baker and PTL or countless others, only a fool would take it as legit.

I've seen too many things in my life first hand from the supposed "best" to ignore the money making machine that is organized religion today.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 08:20 AM

I found it funny that one of the Sky Angel channel's The Guardian Network carries "The A-Team".


That and half the other shows & commercials that GTN carries. Sky Angel does not answer my emails, or send any Sky Angel information to me anymore, but when they did and I asked about programming content, they directed me to the stations contact information, it was basically "out of their hands".

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Posted 21 April 2007 - 08:30 AM

They are violating so many of their original beliefs, statements it not even funny! first of all, what happened to CHRISTIAN? They keep losing Christian stations and adding secular?! Familyland is talking of leaving too!

They were supposed to be a ministry, not a business concerned with making a profit. for someone who is losing $ they have sure been investing in property (fl and tn)

furthermore they stated that lifetime subscribers would have all future channels included at no extra charge (which they have hnored over the past 10 yrs or so). Now they have added channels(for over a year) they want to take away unless we now pay for them. not even all subscribers though, just the lifetimers!

someone didn't do their job properly if they didn't realize how much it would cost them in advance.

they are REFUSING to let monthly subscribers drop the "special 4". they are also not planning to charge them $4.99 therefore there really is no basic/special tier as they are implying.

Where did you hear about Familyland leaving SA? They are the reason I bought a lifetime subscription to begin with.

I have no problem with SA putting the 4 secular channels "in the red" since I get most of them in my AT-200 pack (especially now that Hallmark Channel has been moved down to AT-200). I was not impressed with HMC - too many commercials and the movies were far from blockbusters.

I do remember the Bob Jones home schooling channels being in the red when I first purchsed SA lifetime.

SA needs to allow monthly subs to drop the secular 4 since they are doing it for us lifetimers.

I found it odd that they wanted our smart card numbers. Mine has changed numerous times due to 921 failures. E* has handled the changeovers which included the SA service. Does this mean in the future I have to call SA whenever I change receivers?
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Posted 22 April 2007 - 06:00 PM

You could do what I did. I decided I was done with Sky Angel and just stopped paying them. As luck would have it, something got screwed up with my Dish Network account which prevented Sky Angel from ever being able to cancel my service...something about a lost smart card number. Now, I've had Sky Angel for over a year and have never paid a single cent.

I too though am looking into Glory Star...though, I don't want to lose my TVU, so I might keep my FREE SA around while I can and just add Glorystar.

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Posted 22 April 2007 - 06:02 PM

Where did you hear about Familyland leaving SA? They are the reason I bought a lifetime subscription to begin with.

I have no problem with SA putting the 4 secular channels "in the red" since I get most of them in my AT-200 pack (especially now that Hallmark Channel has been moved down to AT-200). I was not impressed with HMC - too many commercials and the movies were far from blockbusters.

I do remember the Bob Jones home schooling channels being in the red when I first purchsed SA lifetime.

SA needs to allow monthly subs to drop the secular 4 since they are doing it for us lifetimers.

I found it odd that they wanted our smart card numbers. Mine has changed numerous times due to 921 failures. E* has handled the changeovers which included the SA service. Does this mean in the future I have to call SA whenever I change receivers?


Spirit Television on their website has announced that they will be returning to SA on May 2nd to channel 9717, currently held by Familyland. .

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 06:32 PM

Spirit Television on their website has announced that they will be returning to SA on May 2nd to channel 9717, currently held by Familyland. .


I came here to look into Skyangel because One of my favorite stations is JCTV (a TBN simulcast) which shows Christian music videos. But I can't get a good signal with my antenna. I was hoping Skyangel had something similar. On the skyangel website it shows this when describing Spirit TV:

"Airing nightly on KTV-Kids & Teens Television/Sky Angel Channel 9703 from 9pm ET to 7am ET (6pm PT to 4am PT), SPIRIT features the best hits from yesterday and today with music videos"

So does that mean the channel is only on during those hours? I'm not quite understanding how that works. I'd really love to have a Christian Music channel. Thanks all.
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:23 PM

I came here to look into Skyangel because One of my favorite stations is JCTV (a TBN simulcast) which shows Christian music videos. But I can't get a good signal with my antenna. I was hoping Skyangel had something similar. On the skyangel website it shows this when describing Spirit TV:

"Airing nightly on KTV-Kids & Teens Television/Sky Angel Channel 9703 from 9pm ET to 7am ET (6pm PT to 4am PT), SPIRIT features the best hits from yesterday and today with music videos"

So does that mean the channel is only on during those hours? I'm not quite understanding how that works. I'd really love to have a Christian Music channel. Thanks all.


Last year when one of their transponders went down, Spirit was one of the channels they lost. In order to keep Spirit on, Sky Angel has had KTV sharing the channel with Spirit. Spirit is now saying that they will be returning 24/7 to Sky Angel on May 2nd. Whether or not Familyland is going to continue on another channel remains a mystery. For now though, if you like Spirit, wait til May 2nd, and you can watch it anytime on channel 9717.

Also, keep in mind that TVU also plays music videos (currently channel 9705) and has a lot more of the artists played by JCTV than Spirit does. Check them out at their website which is tvulive .com.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:48 PM

http://spirittelevision.com/watch.php is where the announcement is on their website.
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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:52 PM

They have a banner for it on their homepage as well.

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Posted 23 April 2007 - 07:55 PM

Ad blocker ... missed that. :D
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 02:37 PM

So the skyangel info is the old info. Cool. Gonna have to give skyangel a try then. Thanks all!
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Posted 24 April 2007 - 11:39 PM

You could do what I did. I decided I was done with Sky Angel and just stopped paying them. As luck would have it, something got screwed up with my Dish Network account which prevented Sky Angel from ever being able to cancel my service...something about a lost smart card number. Now, I've had Sky Angel for over a year and have never paid a single cent.

I too though am looking into Glory Star...though, I don't want to lose my TVU, so I might keep my FREE SA around while I can and just add Glorystar.


When I previously dropped SA due to a neighbor's tree blocking line of sight, I had a remaining balance 2 years ago. They never came after me or sent the lynch mob after me.....but a month ago when I re-joined (since E* gave me access to 61.5 again to get HD) I had to pay that 2 months' worth of bills.

All of this to say---be careful even if you aren't getting bills because there maybe a balance due. On the other hand, if you truly did cancel with SA and E* couldn't follow through I guess you're lucky. I'd pay it instead as extra tithes.

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Posted 25 April 2007 - 11:26 PM

---Quote (Originally by mrjosh)---
You could do what I did. I decided I was done with Sky Angel and just stopped paying them. As luck would have it, something got screwed up with my Dish Network account which prevented Sky Angel from ever being able to cancel my service...something about a lost smart card number. Now, I've had Sky Angel for over a year and have never paid a single cent.

I too though am looking into Glory Star...though, I don't want to lose my TVU, so I might keep my FREE SA around while I can and just add Glorystar.
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Posted 26 April 2007 - 06:57 PM

"You could do what I did. I decided I was done with Sky Angel and just stopped paying them. As luck would have it, something got screwed up with my Dish Network account which prevented Sky Angel from ever being able to cancel my service...something about a lost smart card number. Now, I've had Sky Angel for over a year and have never paid a single cent".
Yes it is great to see that the Christian programming has helped you become an honest person who would not steal.

This may sound like a really unbelievable idea:
Pick up the phone and call sky angel and let them know that you are receiving their programming without paying for it. But that is probably not something a person who watches Christian TV would do.

Hey kids come in here and watch this godly programming that is not filled with all kind of immoral behavior.

Hey I hear that if you want a new TV you can get one really cheap if you sneak into a circuit city store around midnight. Hey, if you have a family you could take them and they could help so you can all rush home, hook it and watch the programming you are not paying for either.

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Posted 26 April 2007 - 08:12 PM

"You could do what I did. I decided I was done with Sky Angel and just stopped paying them. As luck would have it, something got screwed up with my Dish Network account which prevented Sky Angel from ever being able to cancel my service...something about a lost smart card number. Now, I've had Sky Angel for over a year and have never paid a single cent".
Yes it is great to see that the Christian programming has helped you become an honest person who would not steal.

This may sound like a really unbelievable idea:
Pick up the phone and call sky angel and let them know that you are receiving their programming without paying for it. But that is probably not something a person who watches Christian TV would do.

Hey kids come in here and watch this godly programming that is not filled with all kind of immoral behavior.

Hey I hear that if you want a new TV you can get one really cheap if you sneak into a circuit city store around midnight. Hey, if you have a family you could take them and they could help so you can all rush home, hook it and watch the programming you are not paying for either.


I did try to call them...they told me that my account no longer existed and that they showed a 38 dollar balance that had "been taken care of". This was about 2 months ago. 14.99 times 8 or 9 months is way more than 38 dollars....I told them I was still receiving a signal, they told me it was impossible. Then they asked if I would like to resubscribe.

I told them I haven't lost my service and i wasn't currently interested in resubscribing. They said again "we have no record of you currently receiving programing." I asked if maybe it was because I switched receivers. They told me they would have caught that error.

Originally, when I tried to cancel (before I stopped paying) they said okay but continued to bill me. Then the bills stopped coming but the service continued (and the new channels were added also). Don't know what to do now. They still claim they have no record of me receiving programming. I contacted Dish, but they told me they have not received any word from Sky Angel to cancel my account.

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Posted 28 April 2007 - 02:41 AM

They said they are looking into other ways to reach us. Hope that will be glorystar as that is where I am headed at this point!

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Posted 28 April 2007 - 02:52 AM

bbbonline.com (fastest way to file complaint) preserve your rights now as 5/1 is rapidly approaching!!!

Snail mail:
BBB of West Florida, Inc.
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2653 McCormick Drive
Clearwater, FL 33759
Phone: (727)535-5522
Fax: (727)539-6301

Web: bbbwestflorida.org


I would email them a copy of your complaint. BBB will mail them one but it may take up to a month to get an answer.


Also be advised that skyangel has now contacted SOME of those who complained to BBB and made them a "ridiculous offer". do NOT sign it. they are offering to wave the $4.99 fee for the 4 channels IF you sign a paper waiving your lifetime contract rights to any future channels! I will post a copy of this if I can get a hold of one.

YOUr lifetime agreement guaranteed you minimum of 32 channels and any channels added at no additional charge. In legal terms this is breach of contract. don't give up your right to what you are already entitled and in fact already paid for!

You may want to include some or all of the following infor below:

Section 4 of lifetime agreement:

4.) The primary source of funding for the Dominion DBS Television and Radio System is expected to come from individual subscribers paying either an ongoing monthly subscription fee or by prepaying a lump-sum subscription for a period of years, During the first 30 months of operation DVS offered lifelong subscriptions for a one-time payment which is being discontinued for any new subscribers, For those who purchased the lifelong subscription it will last for the operating lifetime of the Dominion Sky y Angel domestic U,S, DBS service and for the lifetime of the subscriber and his or her spouse without any further monthly subscription fees and includes a minimum of 32 television and radio channels selected at Dominion's sole discretion, Once a lifelong subscription is activated to receive Sky Angel programming it is non-assignable and non-transferable, As you can see I am guaranteed NO further fee and a minimum of 32 channels. SA will clearly be in violation on both counts.

Your Desired Resolution:
I want any and all channels removed from lifetime subscribers including myself restored, effective immediately at NO COST. There will be NO modification of my original agreement in order to receive those channels. Furthermore I expect to receive a minimum of 32 channels as per the lifetime agreement. In addition I expect compensation for each day my service was turned off. I also want a signed statement from sky angel that they will cease forevermore all efforts to breach my contract.

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Posted 28 April 2007 - 11:15 PM

YOUr lifetime agreement guaranteed you minimum of 32 channels and any channels added at no additional charge. In legal terms this is breach of contract. don't give up your right to what you are already entitled and in fact already paid for!

You may want to include some or all of the following infor below:

Section 4 of lifetime agreement:

4.) The primary source of funding for the Dominion DBS Television and Radio System is expected to come from individual subscribers paying either an ongoing monthly subscription fee or by prepaying a lump-sum subscription for a period of years, During the first 30 months of operation DVS offered lifelong subscriptions for a one-time payment which is being discontinued for any new subscribers, For those who purchased the lifelong subscription it will last for the operating lifetime of the Dominion Sky y Angel domestic U,S, DBS service and for the lifetime of the subscriber and his or her spouse without any further monthly subscription fees and includes a minimum of 32 television and radio channels selected at Dominion's sole discretion, Once a lifelong subscription is activated to receive Sky Angel programming it is non-assignable and non-transferable, As you can see I am guaranteed NO further fee and a minimum of 32 channels. SA will clearly be in violation on both counts.

Your Desired Resolution:
I want any and all channels removed from lifetime subscribers including myself restored, effective immediately at NO COST. There will be NO modification of my original agreement in order to receive those channels. Furthermore I expect to receive a minimum of 32 channels as per the lifetime agreement. In addition I expect compensation for each day my service was turned off. I also want a signed statement from sky angel that they will cease forevermore all efforts to breach my contract.


Call me stupid, but the paragraph above states they could give you at their discretion 32 radio channels only and cut off all your TV stations and still not be in violation of their agreement.

Where do you even read in that paragraph that you should get all newly added channels as well - or anything over 32 channels?

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Posted 30 April 2007 - 02:23 AM

The other question is: why fox news? I don't recall it being any more "christian" than any other news network.
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Posted 30 April 2007 - 08:02 AM

Fox News is generally more acceptable among conservatives ... the cliche of "conservative Christian" would lead SkyAngel to sell a "conservative" news channel as part of their service.
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Posted 30 April 2007 - 09:23 AM

Fox News is definitely NOT Christian. If it's considered "conservative", I'd hate to see a news channel that is not "conservative".

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