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D* Downrezzing NESN HD to 720P?


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#1 OFFLINE   Janney66

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 05:34 PM

So I noticed tonight that the MPEG4 feed of NESN HD (available to some of us in the Boston DMA) is being broadcast in 720p. Interestingly enough the NESN HD feed provided on channel 731 for the MLB EI package is in 1080i, as NESN HD is supposed to be. Why would D* broadcast NESN HD in 720p when it should be 1080i?
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 05:38 PM

Is the game on 95 broadcast by NESN HD, the same as 731?

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 05:44 PM

Is the game on 95 broadcast by NESN HD, the same as 731?


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Posted 17 April 2007 - 08:38 PM

So I noticed tonight that the MPEG4 feed of NESN HD (available to some of us in the Boston DMA) is being broadcast in 720p. Interestingly enough the NESN HD feed provided on channel 731 for the MLB EI package is in 1080i, as NESN HD is supposed to be. Why would D* broadcast NESN HD in 720p when it should be 1080i?


Who knows? Possibly it is a workaround for some MPEG4 encoding issue? Here in Tampa, I've noticed the opposite -- our RSN games in MPEG4 on 96 that should be in 720p are often sent as 1080i.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:32 AM

So I noticed tonight that the MPEG4 feed of NESN HD (available to some of us in the Boston DMA) is being broadcast in 720p. Interestingly enough the NESN HD feed provided on channel 731 for the MLB EI package is in 1080i, as NESN HD is supposed to be. Why would D* broadcast NESN HD in 720p when it should be 1080i?



I noticed this a few weeks back and thought it was the HR 20 acting up. I have noticed the PQ is not what it used to be and now I think I know why.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:40 AM

I noticed this a few weeks back and thought it was the HR 20 acting up. I have noticed the PQ is not what it used to be and now I think I know why.


i noticed this too the PQ wasnt as good on last nights sox game:confused:
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 06:48 AM

i noticed this too the PQ wasnt as good on last nights sox game:confused:



It is funny you mention that as I have always though the PQ out of Toronto was never really good. I am not sure why maybe the lighting or something but I have always found the PQ to be lacking up there.

I have only had NESN HD for about 6 weeks now and it is not as good as when I first got it and it could be because D* is messing around with it. I don't understand if in fact this is the case why D* has to mess with something that is in MPEG 4 but what do I know?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 08:26 AM

at least its not ghosting like WMUR ABC-9 in Manchester(SD)
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:19 AM

Isn't 720p supposed to be better for sports than 1080i?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 09:27 AM

Isn't 720p supposed to be better for sports than 1080i?


Supposedly but I like 1080i better this is a debate that has gone on forever. The problem I see is that D* is downrezing the signal from 1080i to 720p and that can't be a good thing

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 10:43 AM

Isn't 720p supposed to be better for sports than 1080i?


In general, and in theory, yes. Particularly for fast action. However, some of the best HD sports broadcasts I've seen have been in 1080i.

Regardless, the advantages would not apply with D* converting a native 1080i broadcast into 720p.

There have been a lot of issues/problems across the country with the MPEG4 RSNs, and D* is still working them out.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 10:48 AM

Supposedly but I like 1080i better this is a debate that has gone on forever. The problem I see is that D* is downrezing the signal from 1080i to 720p and that can't be a good thing


Its a good thing if you saw the first few months of NESN HD on D*. The 8mm issue was horrendous and even unwatchable. At least NESN HD looks good and looks HD regardless of HD Lite, 720p, compressed or whatever we want to call it. I am just glad its at least an option over SD.
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 11:17 AM

Its a good thing if you saw the first few months of NESN HD on D*. The 8mm issue was horrendous and even unwatchable. At least NESN HD looks good and looks HD regardless of HD Lite, 720p, compressed or whatever we want to call it. I am just glad its at least an option over SD.


I hear what you are saying but if in fact they are converting a 1080i signal to 720p than we are getting screwed again. Like I said earlier the 1st few weeks I had it I thought it looked great then 1 night I noticed the box was on 720p and not 1080i and the PQ was not as sharp but blew ity off that the box was a little messed up after software upgrades but now almost 4 weeks into this and watching Sox and Bruins games I can say it is not what it once was. I hope they correct this soon.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 02:27 PM

I notest last week the change from 1080i to 720p on NESN HD and it does not look that bad at all. But I would rather 1080i

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 04:36 AM

I notest last week the change from 1080i to 720p on NESN HD and it does not look that bad at all. But I would rather 1080i


Ok so they have made the switch to 720P I take it?

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 05:45 AM

The only HD MPEG4 feeds at this time are the HD locals. The National MPEG4 feeds won't happen until the new birds go up I have noticed that the HD channels in the 90's have been 720p. D* was running episodes of the Tudors and they were 720P

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 09:46 AM

I watched the Sox- Jays game the other night and thought the picture didnt look very good. I actually wrote to NESN and asked if they broadcast in 720p or 1080I. They responded the next day and said it's 1080i. So its not your eyes it must be d*.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 09:52 AM

I watched the Sox- Jays game the other night and thought the picture didnt look very good. I actually wrote to NESN and asked if they broadcast in 720p or 1080I. They responded the next day and said it's 1080i. So its not your eyes it must be d*.


I agree the games in Toronto aren't that good. I sent an email to NESN as well to find out what was going on. It looks like D* is the culprit hear what a surprise!!!

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 11:47 AM

The only HD MPEG4 feeds at this time are the HD locals. The National MPEG4 feeds won't happen until the new birds go up I have noticed that the HD channels in the 90's have been 720p. D* was running episodes of the Tudors and they were 720P


The HD channels in the 90's will send either 720p or 1080i, depending on the programming source...but sometimes it does seem that there is transcoding going on for some reason.

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Posted 19 April 2007 - 02:14 PM

i was told today by a 2nd tier csr, that they downrezzed it to 720p to conserve bandwidth until the new sats go up. take it for what it's worth.




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