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D* Downrezzing NESN HD to 720P?


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#26 OFFLINE   machavez00

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 05:35 AM

Why am I not surprised? What I don't understand is the fact that is on the MPEG 4 systems so why should they have problems with bandwidth?


Unless you are talking about an HD LIL, as far as I know all current D* HD channels are MPEG2

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#27 OFFLINE   raott

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 05:45 AM

Does it really matter? The human eye can't distinquish between 720p and 1080i.


What do you base that on?

CBS football broadcasts (1080i) are head and shoulders clearer than Fox's (720p). I can tell whose broadcast I'm looking at simply by looking at any wide view of the stadium.

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 05:53 AM

Unless you are talking about an HD LIL, as far as I know all current D* HD channels are MPEG2


I believe local RSNs are also MPEG 4

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 06:13 AM

I believe local RSNs are also MPEG 4



Yes that is correct.


What do you base that on?

CBS football broadcasts (1080i) are head and shoulders clearer than Fox's (720p). I can tell whose broadcast I'm looking at simply by looking at any wide view of the stadium.

No kidding it is like night and day. I also think the CFB games blow away the NFL games that CBS does as well.

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 06:28 AM

There are numerous articles on this. Here's a few:
http://www.tvtechnol...079/t.1990.html
http://broadcastengi..._hdtv_displays/
http://www.ipodobser...com/story/31018

The main factor is the quality of the originating source, your equipment and the distance you're away from the display. Have you seen an old movie, like from the 1970's that is being broadcast as 1080i? It still looks bad even though the resolution is at 1080.

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 06:32 AM

There are numerous articles on this. Here's a few:
http://www.tvtechnol...079/t.1990.html
http://broadcastengi..._hdtv_displays/
http://www.ipodobser...com/story/31018

The main factor is the quality of the originating source, your equipment and the distance you're away from the display. Have you seen an old movie, like from the 1970's that is being broadcast as 1080i? It still looks bad even though the resolution is at 1080.


On a 55 inch TV, I can tell an obvious difference between 720p and 1080i, regardless of whether it is ESPN or Fox doing the 720p.

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Posted 20 April 2007 - 02:36 PM

i noticed a difference as soon as hey started downrezzing to 720p much softer pq, not as defined. so imo, the naked eye can see a difference in the 2 res.

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 08:50 PM

Anyone notice that NESN HD is back to 1080i? Of course now I notice it gets a little "jumpy" every so often.
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Posted 01 June 2007 - 10:55 PM

Anyone notice that NESN HD is back to 1080i? Of course now I notice it gets a little "jumpy" every so often.


I've seen that occasional "jumpiness" on other providers -- I have a Star Choice subscription, and see it on the NESN-HD games that Rogers Sportsnet carries. I've also seen it via cable when I'm visiting family in NE. Some games don't have the problem...others have it so much that it's truly annoying. But I think it is a NESN problem, not specific to D*.

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Posted 04 June 2007 - 01:09 AM

Is channel 95 a subscrption based channel? Im not getting it and yes i have a hd receiver h20.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 06:32 PM

I see D* is back to downrezzing NESNHD to 720p. The difference in PQ is quite noticeable. As someone who doesn't trust D* much at all, I wonder if we'll see more of this type of nonsense with the new HD channels in Sept.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 09:06 PM

It is 1080i on the EI version of NESN tonight. Do they run different resolutions for the normally slotted channel and EI? It seems to me that the HD on EI has been native to the source....
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:56 AM

It is 1080i on the EI version of NESN tonight. Do they run different resolutions for the normally slotted channel and EI? It seems to me that the HD on EI has been native to the source....


No they don't. They've had NESNHD in MPEG4 at 1080i for the past month and half or so. There is no reason to downrezz it to 720p. It was the only decent looking HD channel on D* and now it's crap like the rest of them.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 08:04 AM

I am confused.

You said they have changed it to 720p (which is not downrezzing but changing is not good anyway) and that it is the same stream as the one on EI yet the one on EI was 1080i at the time you were bitching.

Soooo, what are you bitching about? It was 1080i, not 720p..so they weren't changing it???
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 12:23 PM

I am confused.

You said they have changed it to 720p (which is not downrezzing but changing is not good anyway) and that it is the same stream as the one on EI yet the one on EI was 1080i at the time you were bitching.

Soooo, what are you bitching about? It was 1080i, not 720p..so they weren't changing it???


No, the MPEG4 channel is being shown at 720p now, not the EI channel.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 12:34 PM

No, the MPEG4 channel is being shown at 720p now, not the EI channel.


Oh. Now I understand. Although when you go from MPEG2 to MPEG4, it is already non-native. (Not pass-thru.) Wonder what additional affect there is.

BTW, the picture is messy today on MPEG2. But then NESN is probably beholden to the local folks when on the road.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 04:34 AM

Oh. Now I understand. Although when you go from MPEG2 to MPEG4, it is already non-native. (Not pass-thru.) Wonder what additional affect there is.

BTW, the picture is messy today on MPEG2. But then NESN is probably beholden to the local folks when on the road.


At 1080i, the MPEG4 version of NESNHD was sharp with only occasional hiccups. At 720p, it's really fuzzy and lacks detail.

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:08 AM

Agreed. Had an HR20 installed last week and am not at all happy w/NESN HD. Yesterday was very fuzzy and not sharp at all.

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 10:52 AM

I think that all the NESN broadcasts this weekend were of poor quality HD. I'm not sure if that 's DTV's fault or if it's related to the fact that they were on the road and at the mercy of what the Tigers had to offer the visiting teams network. Maybe all Tigers game have poor HD?

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 01:39 PM

It could have been that they were out of market but regardless i prefer 720p over 1080i

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 03:13 PM

CBS football broadcasts (1080i) are head and shoulders clearer than Fox's (720p). I can tell whose broadcast I'm looking at simply by looking at any wide view of the stadium.

Many of the Fox so-called HD NFL broadcasts were not in true HD. They were upconverting SD feeds from the game to 720P. Upconverted HD will never look as good as true HD, whether its 1080i or 720p.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 04:22 PM

Many of the Fox so-called HD NFL broadcasts were not in true HD. They were upconverting SD feeds from the game to 720P. Upconverted HD will never look as good as true HD, whether its 1080i or 720p.


I think they only did that for a maximum of one game per week (when they went over 6) and it was widescreen only to the local teams, not on NFL ST.
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Posted 10 July 2007 - 04:27 AM

I might be wrong or it could be a coincidence, but I think I figured out what's going on here. When NESN (MPEG4 version) was at 1080i, the channel/slide for FSNEHD (ch 96) was at 720p. Now the D* slide on 96 is at 1080i and NESN is at 720p. I assume they share the same transponder.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 06:20 AM

I have to say I have noticed a big difference in PQ and am not very happy about it. I am really getting tired of D* and their antics and if things don't change come Sept then FIOS will be an option for me. I have the new slimline dish that I find not to be all that hot with rain fade and what not. I do have a tech coming out tomorrow to adjust the dish but this is such a pain in the ass having to wait around a 4 hour window for him to hopefully show up. I have wasted many hours of my life on D* issues in the past and getting to the point of just saying screw it and move on. I have been with them 11 years now and the hook is ST but even that is getting to the point of not having much value anymore and also way to expensive.




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