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Can the HR20 OTA Tuner Be Improved Through Software Upgrades?


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Poll: Can the HR20 OTA Tuner Be Improved Through Software Upgrades? (161 member(s) have cast votes)

Can the HR20 OTA Tuner Be Improved Through Software Upgrades?

  1. Yes (50 votes [31.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.06%

  2. No (37 votes [22.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.98%

  3. Not Sure (74 votes [45.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.96%

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#151 OFFLINE   cygnusloop

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 09:58 PM

I believe the new CE made my OTA reception worst. Is anyone else experiencing this?


Nothing has changed with the OTA tuners since they were enabled in December '06, except the fact that the VHF-Low channels were turned on.

My reception has been a bit worse than average the last few days, but its to due to atmospheric and topographic effects. My signals can fluctuate as much as 10%-20% with timescales of days. Nothing to do with any software release.

Hasan, or anyone else care to confirm?

Geaux tigers, I am not trying to bash your thread, I really hope there is some tweaking that D* can do to improve the OTA reception, as some of my channels are on the ragged edge. (Yes, channels that come in fine with my HDTV's tuner, so I understand your frustration). But, a drop in signal strength for a few days most likely isn't related to software.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:13 PM

Nothing has changed with the OTA tuners since they were enabled in December '06, except the fact that the VHF-Low channels were turned on.

My reception has been a bit worse than average the last few days, but its to due to atmospheric and topographic effects. My signals can fluctuate as much as 10%-20% with timescales of days. Nothing to do with any software release.

Hasan, or anyone else care to confirm?

Geaux tigers, I am not trying to bash your thread, I really hope there is some tweaking that D* can do to improve the OTA reception, as some of my channels are on the ragged edge. (Yes, channels that come in fine with my HDTV's tuner, so I understand your frustration). But, a drop in signal strength for a few days most likely isn't related to software.


I agree with you on this. I don't believe there has been any change in the performance of OTA on the HR20 (except for the VHF-lo issue, and getting some of the station mapping errors fixed), and I don't believe there will be. It won't get better and it won't get worse. The performance of the HR20 on OTA is almost totally determined by the tuner chip, and unless the tuner chip changes (and it may do, if DirecTV gets another manufacturer like LG to build the HR20) the performance won't change.

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Posted 07 July 2007 - 10:55 PM

I agree with you on this. I don't believe there has been any change in the performance of OTA on the HR20 (except for the VHF-lo issue, and getting some of the station mapping errors fixed), and I don't believe there will be. It won't get better and it won't get worse. The performance of the HR20 on OTA is almost totally determined by the tuner chip, and unless the tuner chip changes (and it may do, if DirecTV gets another manufacturer like LG to build the HR20) the performance won't change.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:37 AM

I believe the new CE made my OTA reception worst. Is anyone else experiencing this?


I did some tests on this, leaving on of my HR20's on the last CE, and one on the latest, and comparing OTA reception. They were the same.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 04:39 AM

I agree with you on this. I don't believe there has been any change in the performance of OTA on the HR20 (except for the VHF-lo issue, and getting some of the station mapping errors fixed), and I don't believe there will be. It won't get better and it won't get worse. The performance of the HR20 on OTA is almost totally determined by the tuner chip, and unless the tuner chip changes (and it may do, if DirecTV gets another manufacturer like LG to build the HR20) the performance won't change.


I have noticed one channel is showing up now that didn't work at the start, but did on my H20--but that could be the station being stronger, so I can't say for certain. But the tuner isn't bad, and I think if there's danger they could make it worse, they shouldn't touch it. ;)
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:38 AM

+1
I've been posting this since #24


I know, and some people still don't believe it. Here and in the CE forum you keep seeing posts that "the latest CE ruined my OTA reception" or "my OTA seems better with this release".

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 09:57 AM

Had to vote yes, everything including OTA has improved with each update. The Real question is when to they hit the wall on what OTA improvements they can make.
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 10:36 AM

I am on my fourth HR20-700. The last 3 are refurbs, and the last one ( a few days ago) has a 700CR model number. All the others were 700/700Rs.

I have made a bunch of posts about being unable to receive either 8-1 or 13-1 (NBC/Fox) after some of the recent CEs/National releases.

My OTA tuners originally showed 95+ for tuner 2 on both channels, and over 50% on tuner 1. After the updates, tuner 1 no longer locked onto signals for these channels on my first refurb (the original new HR20 was DOA!).

The second refurb was able to get the signals at 98+ on both tuners, ( using )x168?). and, I could see both channels again (as well as all the other locals in Tampa from the Riverview area). However, it had other problems (lockups, repeated spontaneous reboots).

The most recent HR20 refurb has been getting similar signals to the second one, and. so far, seems to be doing it's things just fine? This was on ver. 168, and, the CE this Friday. The original software on this unit was 0xbe. It was built in Dec., 2006?

Talks with tech support repeatedly resulted in asking me to wait for a "software" fix which they said was coming. Finally, they gave in. and, demanded I get a housecall. The tech said it was a hardware problem.

Seems to me that the tuners in my last 2 refurbs were/are better than the second one, and that my problem indeed was a hardware problem. I would guess that the change in reception noted after software changes was coincidental to increasing tuner problems?


I would be interested in opinions from forum members on this.;)
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2. H20-600->HDMI->Samsung 3251 in master BR, D* bowtie on roof for OTA
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4. Modulator from HR20->RCA cables to send DVD & D* to kitchen and other BR via cat5 wiring in house.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 10:49 AM

I am on my fourth HR20-700. The last 3 are refurbs, and the last one ( a few days ago) has a 700CR model number. All the others were 700/700Rs.

I have made a bunch of posts about being unable to receive either 8-1 or 13-1 (NBC/Fox) after some of the recent CEs/National releases.

My OTA tuners originally showed 95+ for tuner 2 on both channels, and over 50% on tuner 1. After the updates, tuner 1 no longer locked onto signals for these channels on my first refurb (the original new HR20 was DOA!).

The second refurb was able to get the signals at 98+ on both tuners, ( using )x168?). and, I could see both channels again (as well as all the other locals in Tampa from the Riverview area). However, it had other problems (lockups, repeated spontaneous reboots).

The most recent HR20 refurb has been getting similar signals to the second one, and. so far, seems to be doing it's things just fine? This was on ver. 168, and, the CE this Friday. The original software on this unit was 0xbe. It was built in Dec., 2006?

Talks with tech support repeatedly resulted in asking me to wait for a "software" fix which they said was coming. Finally, they gave in. and, demanded I get a housecall. The tech said it was a hardware problem.

Seems to me that the tuners in my last 2 refurbs were/are better than the second one, and that my problem indeed was a hardware problem. I would guess that the change in reception noted after software changes was coincidental to increasing tuner problems?

I would be interested in opinions from forum members on this.;)

Where are you reading the "700CR model number. All the others were 700/700Rs"?
The only hardware build is HR20-700S.
"R's or "CR"s sound like they're refurbs.
I still believe any changes in OTA are from: changes in the transmitted signal, or the
rebooting of the recorder causing it to re-detect the tuners.
The bit error percentages are at the chip level and not effected by the software. IMO
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Posted 08 July 2007 - 12:37 PM

VOS- in my post, I said that my first HR20 was new and all the others including the last one (-700CR) were refurbs. The new one was -700. Next came a -700R, then a -700C. All these were off the box they came in. On the current set, the label is -700, without an "S", and, a little added sticker that it is a refurb.
1. HR20-700-> (HDMI-> Samsung 5088 in media room with large "bowtie antenna in attic for OTA
2. H20-600->HDMI->Samsung 3251 in master BR, D* bowtie on roof for OTA
3. 5-LNB dish
4. Modulator from HR20->RCA cables to send DVD & D* to kitchen and other BR via cat5 wiring in house.

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Posted 08 July 2007 - 12:45 PM

VOS- in my post, I said that my first HR20 was new and all the others including the last one (-700CR) were refurbs. The new one was -700. Next came a -700R, then a -700C. All these were off the box they came in. On the current set, the label is -700, without an "S", and, a little added sticker that it is a refurb.

So what you're describing is a change from earlier "refurbs" that didn't have much more done to them other than re-boxing.
D* seems to have setup some sort of "repairing facility" that the earlier ones didn't go through.
Now I wonder if "R" are those made in Mexico & "CR" are those that were made in China?
The "S" was on the carton but not the unit as all of the -700s are silver, & I'd guess the "C" was for China also.
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Posted 09 July 2007 - 09:23 AM

VOS- it gets a little confusing, but, I think you may have it sorted out now.

I did not compare the info on the carton to what was on the set (which brings up a good point that it probably is a good thing to do!) until you raised the issue about the model numbers.

So far, the latest reurb is doing it's thing!
1. HR20-700-> (HDMI-> Samsung 5088 in media room with large "bowtie antenna in attic for OTA
2. H20-600->HDMI->Samsung 3251 in master BR, D* bowtie on roof for OTA
3. 5-LNB dish
4. Modulator from HR20->RCA cables to send DVD & D* to kitchen and other BR via cat5 wiring in house.

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 07:43 PM

VOS- it gets a little confusing, but, I think you may have it sorted out now.

I did not compare the info on the carton to what was on the set (which brings up a good point that it probably is a good thing to do!) until you raised the issue about the model numbers.

So far, the latest reurb is doing it's thing!


I would pay DIRECTV to repair my HR20s with an advanced LG OTA chip.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:01 PM

Has the new CE improved the OTA tuner?

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 10:42 PM

Has the new CE improved the OTA tuner?

No. And there is no reason to suppose that any software change ever will.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:05 PM

No. And there is no reason to suppose that any software change ever will.

But reports in the CE thread suggest release do worsen OTA reception.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:41 PM

But reports in the CE thread suggest release do worsen OTA reception.

is the keyword, as none of it can ever be repeated.
Too many other variables [some say the opposite too]
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Posted 19 July 2007 - 10:51 PM

With the introduction of the new HD receiver that does not have OTA, does this mean that DIRECTV is abandoning OTA?

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:22 AM

I keep reading where the VHF-lo issue was fixed with a prior software upgrade. Is it possible that it was only fixed for the "700's" and not the "100's"?

I had two HR20-100's installed this week (replacing an HR10-250 and a Samsung HD satellite receiver). The HR20's receive all my OTA signals except for Cleveland NBC's station (3-1 on digital channel 2). My Sony SXRD tuner receivers 3-1, my HD Tivo and Samsung received 3-1, and even my old first generation (Mits) satellite receiver would receive/process 3-1. Since all my other tuners processed digital channel 2 and both new HR20-100's won't, it appears to be some issue with the new DVR's.

Is anyone else getting the HR20-100 to receive/process digital channel 2 or 3 OTA signals?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:27 AM

With the introduction of the new HD receiver that does not have OTA, does this mean that DIRECTV is abandoning OTA?


No, it doesn't.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:32 AM

is the keyword, as none of it can ever be repeated.
Too many other variables [some say the opposite too]


I really can't post responses to this nonsense any more. You'll have to carry the water at this point.

This thread reminds me of "My Cousin Vinny", where Pesci says, "I come from a long line of arguers"....no point, no possible conclusion, just arguing for argument's sake.

Have fun...I'm done. Anyone with REAL OTA questions, please post in a new thread, I can't bear reading this one any longer.:rolleyes:
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 07:52 AM

This thread should just die a quite death. To the OP: we've tried repeatedly to explain to you.
Software/firmware is not going to change the limitations of the chips used if the HR-20.
Time to move on.
Please let this fade into oblivion. :)
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Posted 22 July 2007 - 12:14 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but the H21 is DIRECTV's first HD receiver that does not support OTA. Therefore, I believe inquiring into DIRECTV's future plans concerning support of OTA is a legitimate question. Such a direction may indicate that OTA support is a not a priority for them. If that is the case then improving the OTA reception on the HR20 may not be a priority as well.

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 01:50 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but the H21 is DIRECTV's first HD receiver that does not support OTA. Therefore, I believe inquiring into DIRECTV's future plans concerning support of OTA is a legitimate question. Such a direction may indicate that OTA support is a not a priority for them. If that is the case then improving the OTA reception on the HR20 may not be a priority as well.


If they plan to offer every digital channel/subchannel in every market, the H21 makes sense to me; otherwise not. Perhaps the addition of OTA was based on the large number of "HD-ready" sets in the past and now that most sets have tuners they feel it isn't necessary. While true, having the tuner in my HR20, along with an integrated guide is a big plus.

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 08:47 PM

The new CE for the HR20-700 has announced improved software for the OTA tuners. Lets keep our fingers crossed.




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