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Sky Angel to transistion IPTV over the next year


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#81 OFFLINE   quiverof8

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:17 PM

Liberty is still advertising sky angel at the $14.99 package...........

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 09:13 AM

The National Liberty Journal (now called the Liberty Journal) has an advertisment in it saying The Liberty Channel is going to be on the new Sky Angel IPTV. I figure TRBC and LU think it's a done deal if they are willing to give a full page ad to SA IPTV.

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Posted 14 November 2007 - 06:37 PM

well i plan to sign up soon for D* or E* and trying to decide if i should just keep comcast basic so i will get the liberty channel at $21.00 per mo. [i live in the lynchburg area] or go with the new sky angle IPTV. thought about ota antenna but the tower for wtlu channel 50 is 24 miles away and it's only 38 kws.

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Posted 15 November 2007 - 09:33 AM

well i plan to sign up soon for D* or E* and trying to decide if i should just keep comcast basic so i will get the liberty channel at $21.00 per mo. [i live in the lynchburg area] or go with the new sky angle IPTV. thought about ota antenna but the tower for wtlu channel 50 is 24 miles away and it's only 38 kws.


One thing about Lynchburg is the great options of the Liberty Channel and all the Christian music channels. I miss that.

#85 OFFLINE   quiverof8

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Posted 22 November 2007 - 10:54 PM

Received the "new" flyer that they had said they were sending out. Same old stuff as last time with a few pages of Christmas specials listed. Ad for IPTV still has no price, no date, mention of lifetime members etc. Really don't know why they keep wasting time/$$ sending these out instead of just one good flyer with the details such as price, dates and "official" channel list.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 03:59 PM

Sky Angel IPTV is no longer available in Canada. It is almost impossible to find this out by searching the internet. I had a paid up subscription when in mid October the set top box could no longer get the TV channels (only radio) then eventually it said the box was not authorized. Phone calls and emails were not returned. They eventually followed through when I asked to stop the monthly automatic payments but without any explanation or refund for half a month of no service. This left me with a useless $120 set top box. After lots of searching I figured out what was going on and left an inquiry on the American website. The Canadian SkyAngel website became unavailable and on the American SkyAngel website they had removed all references to Sky Angel in Canada. Following is the response I received from SkyAngel on 03Dec2007:

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"Thank you for contacting Sky Angel. Sky Angel had granted a Canadian company, ShifTV, the right to carry our service over their IPTV system in Canada. That company is now operating under a new name and new management and their business plan, which includes adult entertainment, is no longer compatible with ours. The parties have decided to terminate our technical agreement. We are currently seeking additional ways to provide Sky Angel programming again in Canada. Please feel free to check back to our Web site at ... for any further developments regarding this.

If you are a ShifTV subscriber to Sky Angel programming and have any questions about your service, you will need to contact them directly at 1-866-640-7938."
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I found that ShifTV and BroadShift are two companies both owned by Morey Chaplick of Canada. ShifTV operated OverSeaTV and BroadShift had purchased a Nevada company called ITVN whose ‘XBIZ’ division is a pornography distributer. It appears that BroadShift was the new name being used for international programming (OverSeaTV), Christian programming (SkyAngel IPTV), and pornography (ITVN). Since the last two are content-wise incompatible, SkyAngel IPTV has ceased to be a service provided by either of ShifTV or BroadShift.

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 08:45 PM

Well now it makes sense that the canadian website disappeared! Sad thing is when I brought the Porn to the attention MONTHS ago of the VP I was brushed off. I even called customer service and made them aware of my "concerns" which they said were "noted in my account"!

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 09:33 AM

I'm sorry Cananda is not going to be getting SA anymore, but glad they cut loose from such a company.

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 10:19 AM

Is NeuLion any better? All they are is a platform. SkyAngel feeds their content and NeuLion sends it out. What is the guarantee that NeuLion doesn't and will never have "unacceptable content" hosted for other providers?

That is the problem with not owning your equipment ... SkyAngel rode through the sky on Echostar's satellite platform for years knowing that there were channels on the E* system that were not "acceptable". (There was a restriction that E* couldn't use SA licensed transponders for porn, but that isn't a problem ... just put the porn somewhere else and use SA's space for other channels.)

Until SA builds their own system they will have to deal with their platforms carrying "other content".

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Posted 05 December 2007 - 03:01 PM

I am a bit suspicious of their "reason" eg porn although I hope its the truth. They continued to both broadcast as well as SELL sky angel canada long after they were made aware of the Porn.

A few months back they started offering a free month and no activation fee to Canada. At that time I wondered if IPTV was in financial difficulties. If the company had been doing well I didn't see the reason for the sign up incentive.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 07:39 PM

Okay
doesnt sky angel currently use dish network to provide there services,
they use dish network equipment,
and doesnt Dish network have and offer Porn Channels,,,,,,,,,,
I think there is other reasons why sky angel is no longer being offered in canada.
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here is a sub customer who pays his bills to a service and gets no notice that his box is getting shut off.

I hate the way sky angel does buisness and i think its a terrible witness.......
even more than reason they chose to pull the plug....

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 01:43 AM

Yes and yes. Supposedly though the IPTV stuff is "worse". As if there were such a thing as good porn..............
sky angel was made aware of the fact over 5 months ago if you go back through the posts. so why cancel NOW?

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:51 AM

Because there is got to be another reason,
remember how skyangel treated Daystar........

I am just so glad i have my coolsat 7000 and galaxy 25,
cause i dont have to deal with there poor customer service,

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 10:21 AM

Or it could be they were consulting their lawyers to get out of that contract with IPTV.

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 02:07 PM

Even if they spent 5 months consulting with a lawyer they could have let their canadian subs know there was a strong possibility they would lose service and why. I am sure they would have understood if the issue of porn was fully explained to them. Also how do they justify continuing to bill the customers?

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 05:36 PM

Even if they spent 5 months consulting with a lawyer they could have let their canadian subs know there was a strong possibility they would lose service and why. I am sure they would have understood if the issue of porn was fully explained to them. Also how do they justify continuing to bill the customers?


Thats the Sky angel way,
buisness ethics is not understood to them,

Remember how they shut channels off with no notice..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I just wish they would hurry up and get of dish so they can get up a real christian package.................

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 11:46 AM

Also how do they justify continuing to bill the customers?


I don't. And I don't justify their not telling customers what they were doing. It's wrong to charge customers for something you cannot provide to them, and it's wrong to cancel a service without adequate notice. SA is months behind in telling subscribers ESPECIALLY life time subs. that they are going to have a blank screen in a few months and that IPTV is the only product SA will be providing next year. They should have kept us up to date via snail mail when they transfered over to another company, when they started beta testing IPTV and when they made the dicision to stop broadcasting via satellite. They have not kept us up to date they way they should. Still, I do not see their activity in the US as unlawful, just unprofessional. If they have charged Candians for a product they did not receive after the feed was stopped, then that is grounds for subs demanding their money back.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 03:33 PM

It's wrong to charge customers for something you cannot provide to them, and it's wrong to cancel a service without adequate notice. SA is months behind in telling subscribers ESPECIALLY life time subs. that they are going to have a blank screen in a few months and that IPTV is the only product SA will be providing next year. They should have kept us up to date via snail mail when they transfered over to another company, when they started beta testing IPTV and when they made the dicision to stop broadcasting via satellite. They have not kept us up to date they way they should. Still, I do not see their activity in the US as unlawful, just unprofessional.


I'm not so sure what SA is doing is NOT unlawful. I happened to find the Terms & Conditions (see attachment below) to my lifetime contract and as best as I can interpret what seems rather straight forward, the lifetime contract extends for the lifetime of the subscriber and/or spouse AND the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. Unless SA is going to go out of business only to start up again with IPTV and with a name other than Dominion Sky Angel, seems to me the wording in it's Terms & Conditions state they have a commitment to the lifetimer regardless of how the programming is provided. The wording says for the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel....not Sky Angel's DBS exclusively. Read what the 3rd sentence from the end of paragraph one (1) says in the Terms & Conditions. NOTHING about DBS....only the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. Seems to me Dominion Sky Angel has a contractual obligation to provide it's programming regardless of the method it uses in delivering it.
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Posted 08 December 2007 - 04:12 PM

I'm not so sure what SA is doing is NOT unlawful. I happened to find the Terms & Conditions (see attachment below) to my lifetime contract and as best as I can interpret what seems rather straight forward, the lifetime contract extends for the lifetime of the subscriber and/or spouse AND the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. Unless SA is going to go out of business only to start up again with IPTV and with a name other than Dominion Sky Angel, seems to me the wording in it's Terms & Conditions state they have a commitment to the lifetimer regardless of how the programming is provided. The wording says for the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel....not Sky Angel's DBS exclusively. Read what the 3rd sentence from the end of paragraph one (1) says in the Terms & Conditions. NOTHING about DBS....only the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. Seems to me Dominion Sky Angel has a contractual obligation to provide it's programming regardless of the method it uses in delivering it.
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Check the small print on #7. They can alter the agreement at any time without any notice. That's a loophole you could drive a mac truck through.

Quote from the PDF you supplied (emphasis mine):

7. The SkyAngel lifelong subscription entitles you to receive all of the Sky Angel channels which are a part of the basic
Sky Angel package of programming, including special events, as modilied from time to time, with no additional charge
or monthly fee. You also have access to future pay-per-view, special pay channels, and distance learning that may be
carried on the SkyAngel system, however, there would be various additional charges for some of these specialized services.
Programming, channels, number of channels, pricing and schedules are subject to change without notice.




Anyone have a 1996 version they can post? I'm assuming that is the earliest contract available.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 08:04 PM

Yes but it doesn't say MEMBERSHIP can be cancelled. they did change the price for membership but they can't now ask for an additional fee. In most legal cases I believe "grandfathering" would come into affect. sky angel wants us to all go away quietly or switch over to IPTV.

Received the new IPTV brochure, no mention that DBS is being cancelled and that you MUST switch to IPTV or lose service. It makes it seem that its a new option. One most lifetimers wouldn't even call about since they have DBS already paid for.

Nothing has been mailed to address the lifetime members either. I have called each time they mail these brochures and tell them that I see nothing that applies to me as a lifetimer. They try and give me a speech about how wonderful IPTV will be ...............

there is another lifetime agreement posted but I believe it is newer than yours.




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