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#26 OFFLINE   Michael P

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 03:36 PM

I get the HD package on 61.5 as well as many public interest channels on 61.5 and E3 is still working just fine -- otherwise sky angel would have nothing to sell back to e*.

You don't understand the concept of a license? You can have a valid driver's license but not own a car. Someone in that circumstance could lease or rent a car, and that's just what Sky Angel is doing. If E3 fell out of the sky tomorrow, Sky Angel's licenses at 61.5 would still be worth the same as they are today. The licenses at 61.5 could be used on the former Rainbow satellite by E*, but not by SA unless SA and E* come to a new agreement. The current agreement between SA and E* ends when E3 dies. At that time all SA will have are the licenses but no satellite to use them.
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:27 PM

Sky Angel is picking and choosing which parts of the LIFETIME agreement they want to honor. for example they frequently quote "LlIFETIME of SATELLITE" while they IGNORE several key points such as LAUNCHING satellite in 2002, SUBSCRIBER/SPOUSE lifetime etc. I agree with you, the ministry would hav been better served by either launching a new satellite as promised or at least continuing to broadcast on DBS for the REAL life of the satellite (it is still working!)

if you go back through old press releases you find lots of tidbits of info!


The following brings up a point that may have a more wide spread affect. what happens to these ministries? the prisons, hospitals etc who now get DBS?

This lifted from an SA news release in 2004, note that lifetime subscribers are not mentioned they may indeed have came as a surprise to Rob.


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Dominion appreciates the wide support from within the Christian community during this extremely trying time. The mission and purpose of Sky Angel is to develop a worldwide multi-channel, high-power direct broadcast satellite broadcasting system for spreading the Gospel free of secular control, as distinct from every other commercial-secular cable or satellite system. Because Sky Angel exists, families can receive wholesome, Christ-centered programming without being forced to receive in their homes or to support television programming that is hostile to or in conflict with their Christian values. Sky Angel also serves as a valuable evangelistic tool with the multi-channel service being delivered, in some cases at no charge, into prisons, homeless shelters, substance abuse facilities, hospitals, nursing homes, colleges and more; Sky Angel’s Angel One channel, with a special emphasis on carrying a variety of ministries, large and small, that are focused on evangelizing and ministering to lost and hurting people, is also available free of charge on the DISH Network.

As the only Christian organization in the world licensed by any government to operate a high-power satellite system, Sky Angel is a valuable tool for the Church to move in unity, to evangelize the lost, and to equip the body of Christ to fulfill the Great Commission, so it is essential to defend and protect the vision given for Sky Angel by holding accountable those who try to bring harm to this ministry.

Dominion will continue to press forward with its plans to provide the Gospel to every nation in the world through a Christian-owned and -controlled satellite television delivery system in obedience to the vision the Lord gave for the Sky Angel ministry 24 years ago.

SKY ANGEL MISSION AND PURPOSE
From the very beginning, 24 years ago, when God placed a call on Robert W. Johnson Sr.'s life to create what today remains the world's only Christian Direct Broadcast Satellite “DBS” platform, our mission has never changed. Through the Lord's revelation, we knew then as we know today that the only method of assuring that the Gospel could be spread to the entire world — uninterrupted and unimpeded by geographic barriers, land lines and cables, and ever-changing, often hostile political boundaries — was via high-powered, wireless deep-space satellites owned and controlled by Christians totally committed to exclusively using this technology as a true instrument of helping to fulfill the "Great Commission." The satellite itself is then the platform — the "Angel in the Sky" — for the ministers, preachers and teachers of our age to first reach and disciple America and then to reach the most unreachable of God's lost children in the world.

There are only four DBS satellite services in America today: Sky Angel, DirecTV, DISH Network, and Voom Network. Sky Angel is the only one devoted exclusively to airing Christian and wholesome family television and radio programming. As the only Christian-owned and -controlled satellite television and radio platform licensed by the government in the world, we are able today to beam 20 television channels and 16 radio channels of Christian programming 24 hours a day across North America.

We do this all for our programmers by providing no-cost DBS airtime and for the body of Christ where individual homes, churches, businesses and more pay a modest monthly or annual subscription fee to help support, strengthen and grow the Sky Angel system. When we go international, many Sky Angel's radio and television signals will be "free-to-air" overseas utilizing a very low-cost DBS receiving system and small dish so that those who have never had the benefit of receiving Christ-centered TV or radio programming will be able to in even the most unreachable areas of the world.

Presently, Sky Angel's powerful television and radio signals are capable of being received virtually anywhere in North America. It would be impossible today for any Christian ministry to acquire enough television stations or cable systems capable of reaching the entire U.S. population. This impossibility has been overcome by Sky Angel's multi-channel television and radio channel signals that now cover virtually all of North America.

We're excited! We're humbled by the opportunity ahead. And we rejoice in being able to share this great endeavor with those who have been called and anointed to spread God's Word and use this remarkable technology that He has placed in our hands.

Therefore, protecting this God-ordained project from those who may be blinded to God's ordained scope, mission and purpose for Sky Angel, and who would bring it harm willingly or unwillingly, is the only reason this lawsuit was filed against EchoStar.
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:49 PM

Probably not fair to go too far back (they are all labeled "ARCHIVED PRESS RELEASE. THIS PRESS RELEASE MAY CONTAIN DATED INFORMATION THAT IS NO LONGER ACCURATE OR CURRENT.") but anyways:

June 1, 2002
Because the Lord has established SKY ANGEL, Christian religious broadcasters will always have a satellite communications platform just for their programming that virtually any home, business, church, or school in the U.S. can access with just a small 18-inch satellite dish. Also, the 33 Christ-centered television and radio channel programmers that Sky Angel carries all receive no-cost air time on SKY ANGEL, allowing them to put the tithes and offerings given to them into producing more targeted programs that will reach larger audiences with the Gospel.

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What the Lord giveth, Jr giveth away?

August 14, 2003
Dominion Video Satellite, Inc., owner and operator of the Sky Angel nationwide direct-to-home Christ-centered satellite television service, has officially taken ownership of 23 acres off Interstate 75, northeast of the intersection of CR 951 and Davis Blvd. in Collier County, Florida, where it plans to construct its permanent uplink facility and international headquarter offices.

The project will be constructed in three phases. Construction of Phase I, which will comprise the company’s 47,000-square-foot technical center and transmission and receiving satellite dish antennas, is scheduled to commence the first half of 2004. Phase II will consist of two 15,000-square-foot studios, a 20,000-square-foot reception facility and 125,000 square feet of administrative offices. Phase III will comprise a 50,000-square-foot international programmer lodging facility and a 30,000-square-foot convention center.

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Life changes. They did start construction on an uplink, but it is in Cleveland, TN (probably better weather there).
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Posted 29 June 2007 - 10:45 PM

June 1, 2002
Because the Lord has established SKY ANGEL, Christian religious broadcasters will always have a satellite communications platform just for their programming that virtually any home, business, church, or school in the U.S. can access with just a small 18-inch satellite dish.


so what, did the LORD change his mind here or is sky angel no longer following the Lords leading?

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Posted 30 June 2007 - 11:23 AM

There should have been a big caveat on that "virtually every home" statement ... since 61.5° is not easy to get from the west coast and many homes (such as apartments and city folk) have a hard time seeing satellite signals at all.

When I see statements like that I imagine God saying "why are you dragging me into this?" Robert W. Johnson established Sky Angel, and Jr is unestablishing it (as a satellite service). God seems to have had a minor role as a marketing tool and occasional subject matter for the channels.

If the Lord established Sky Angel why didn't He provide them with an angel in the sky ... a satellite of their own ... and enough funds that they could operate like Glorystar --- Free-to-air delivery to everyone who could see the satellite instead of a paid service to "customers" within the US. DBS was a good choice for signal strength and dish size issues, but "by subscription" is not the way to spread the gospel. It is like taking the offering at the front door of the church and turning away those who don't make a donation.

So the Lord establishing Sky Angel is just so much "Lord speak" ... where those who call themselves Christians (as opposed to those who are called Christians by others) invoke God to make their efforts appear to be more important than they are.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 01:44 PM

The "lifetime" contract allows you to use the SkyAngel DBS service for the rest of your life or the life of the surviving spouse. Within the next year there will be no more SkyAngel DBS service. If you can find in the contract where they agreed to provide channels beyond the life of the satellite feel free to scan and post an image of the contract.


This is my first post so I'm not familiar with all that's been being said about SA. What I have to say may be irrelevant and if so, sorry about that. What I'd like to say is that I called SA earlier this week and asked if as a Lifetime subscriber, would my subscription be valid with the upcoming new method of Internet delivery. Of course I was told it would not. I then asked if SA would send me a copy of my contract. The lady said she couldn't promise SA could do that but she did take down my name and address....although I'm not holding my breath until I get it because it didn't sound real hopeful that I'd be getting a copy.
Well, guess what? Later that evening I happened to be looking through an old folder in my desk and found the "terms and conditions of the lifetime subscription" and as best as I can tell it does NOT say for the lifetime of the satellite itself, but for the lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. Unless SA goes out of business and/or changes their name, it seems as though my lifetime subscription should be valid regardless of how I receive SA programming. I'm attaching a copy of the "Terms & Conditions" as a pdf file. Am I mistaken in my interpretation?

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 02:48 PM

You may have just hit the jackpot for yourself and other lifetime members. the problem has been that most lifetime members do not even have a copy of the agreement. If they signed up on the phone SA never sent them. also there are several different versions floating around. I don't think sky angel has copies of who signed what. I went all the way to the VP and asked for a copy of my agreement which she refused to send. Instead she told me to send her what I had............

Of course, skyangel will probably get around this as well by a name change or something :( thanks for posting the info!

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 04:08 PM

I went all the way to the VP and asked for a copy of my agreement which she refused to send. Instead she told me to send her what I had............


It's hard to imagine why in the world SA is treating their base of support in the manner they are? Seems like the cost of ill-will and hard feelings would be much more costly to SA in the long run rather than to just go ahead and switch over the lifetimers to IPTV.
I've been a huge proponent of SA for a decade and I want it to succeed; however, with the amount of hard feelings this switch over seems to be generating, I'm concerned it may not. Frankly, I think the best thing SA could do is to send their lifetimers a letter saying their initial decision to end the agreement with lifetimers was not well thought out, and with further thought, the lifetime subscriptions would be brought over to IPTV when the switch is made.
How hard would that be to do?
I wish Sky Angel well but they're sure making it hard.

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 04:18 PM

You may have just hit the jackpot for yourself and other lifetime members. the problem has been that most lifetime members do not even have a copy of the agreement. If they signed up on the phone SA never sent them. also there are several different versions floating around. I don't think sky angel has copies of who signed what. I went all the way to the VP and asked for a copy of my agreement which she refused to send. Instead she told me to send her what I had............

Of course, skyangel will probably get around this as well by a name change or something :( thanks for posting the info!



Check #7 on that terms and conditions sheet. It says the agreement can be changed at any time w/out notice.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 06:04 AM

The contract I have is an earlier version of the one posted by Abesbirthday and states the same but in greater detail and also adds the provision "for the life of the satelites" with an added assurance that they are in the process of adding additional satellite capabilities. Last I heard the satellites were still in the air but Sky Angel gave/sold/traded them to Dish.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 10:25 AM

thats been the argument of some. sky angel violated the contract when they did not fuflfill their end to launch the new satellite. 2nd of all the satellite is still working dspite their allegations that it is "dying"
If you can post it as an attachment it would be good to have another to compare

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 12:26 AM

Either way, not sure if anyone has noticed, however Dominion Sky Angel is the "Satellite" side of their business. If you look at the IPTV side, they go by Sky Angel LLC.

Just an observation :)

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 04:33 PM

Their production company is also LLC.

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 04:42 PM

If I am not mistaken earlier pamphlets from skyangel had advertised as Dominion. had predicted at that time a name change to avoid potential lawsuits. they might legally get away with this but morally its wrong to change the name in order to get out of ts lifetime contracts!

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 04:47 PM

On a moral level, the most we can do is refuse to do business with them.
It is up to higher powers to judge them and punish them on a higher level.

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 03:33 PM

On a moral level, the most we can do is refuse to do business with them.
It is up to higher powers to judge them and punish them on a higher level.



That's so true Mr. Long. Clearly lawsuits or other legal action would violate everything I stand for as a Christian as well as reflect Christ poorly to the world. It seems as though many on this board take a similar position.
Unfortunately, I have a sneaking suspicion that the powers that be at SA are counting on that very position. I could be wrong though. I was once before - March 2nd, 1979. :lol:
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Posted 03 January 2008 - 03:20 AM

Well, some of the HD is on E*3 and they did not lose a transponder causing the removal of the 3 channels. A wideband data stream was placed on Tp32 in place of the 3 channels.. It is interesting that some of the SkyAngel service is now on other Tps than Tps 25 and 32. :)

BTW: If your lifetime receiver dies, you cannot get a purchased new one authorized.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 08:34 PM

I can understand what you mean about a law suit reflecting poorly on Christians. However to allow sky Angel to continue unchallenged in their treatment of their subs (lifetime, canadian , 10 yr and even monthly) will reflect even worse in the long run. It will appear that Christians sanctioned the behavior of sky angel by NOT taking a stand against them.

At this point (assuming sky angel does cut off the lifetime members) it might be i the best interest to sue them , not for financial gain but for restoration of service. they didn't launch the new satellite, its not our concern HOW they provide the service, only that they do so.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:31 PM

There were limits in the original "lifetime" contracts that was signed. Perhaps SkyAngel should have done more to meet their original stated mission of being an angel in the sky beaming Christian programming around the world. But at this point there is no path toward restoration of the satellite service.

SkyAngel's agreement with EchoStar for the use of EchoStar3 ends at "the life of the satellite". In May E3 will be replaced by the next satellite - and while what is left of E3 will likely serve some purpose somewhere in the sky for the next couple of years as the rest of it fails, Sky Angel would have needed a replacement satellite NOW in order to continue service.

Satellites are not cheap ... neither is launching them. In the end it was cheaper for SkyAngel to leave the DBS business than try to do now what they were unable to do when they originally launched ... actually build their own angel in the sky.

While broadband is not available everywhere and is an additional expense even IF SkyAngel offered free service it is an option that did not exist when SkyAngel first entered people's homes. There is also the GloryStar free system (buy the equipment and no monthly fees) for those who must have satellite.

There will be people who lose their Christian TV because of SkyAngel's failure as a DBS provider - but I believe they are doing the best that they can. There are places reached by broadband that would never be reached by their satellite signal due to dish placement restrictions and the difficulty of seeing their one satellite location from across the country.

There are things they could change ... perhaps a free 6 months or a year of the new service for lifetime subscribers to DBS - definitely some way of having two receivers without paying double ($5 mirror fee, please - or a two or more channel receiver). But the mistake of offering lifetime subscriptions many years ago is one of the reasons why SkyAngel is in the position they are in today ... unable to sustain the satellite service since their best supporters turned in to free customers.

I believe they have been challenged ... and I also believe that they have responded to the best of their financial ability. As posted earlier - the only thing left for us to do is walk away and wash our hands of them. Or forgive them and sign up for IPTV.

Lawsuits rarely change anything. If there is some class action I suspect a lawyer will get rich, SkyAngel will spend money that should be paying for the new service on defending themselves and at best lifetime customers would get some small rebate. I've had a lot of "class action" settlements come to my door (from suits where I was in the class - I did not participate in any suit). My winnings were hardly worth noting.

There are probably better ways to spend time than draining SkyAngel of their ability to perform the new service and lining lawyer's pockets. :)

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 12:27 AM

It was sky angels "mistake" yet the lifetimers literally are paying the price (anywhere from $300- $1000!). We didn't ask to pre pay, they made the offer. An offer they obviously couldn't afford, just to raise quick cash.

The "lifetime of the satellite" should have been for the one SUPPOSED to have been LAUNCHED in 2002. If they had kept their word that satellite would only be 5 years old so we would have at least 5 YEARS of service left before it "died". Again, not our fault yet WE the subscribers are supposed to pay the price for sky angels mismanagement/mistakes?! I don't remember hearing one subscriber threaten t sue sky angel when they didn't launch the satellite in 2002. Their current treatment goes too far.

Seriously, how many would stick with their current cell phone company if they were treated even half as poorly? Assume you prepaid for 1 year. They shut off your service after 6 months, then tell you to buy a new phone and pay them AGAIN? would you or would you find another cell phone company.....................

People are taking a LOT from sky angel because the call themselves Christian.

We will lose not only our "Christian TV" but our ONLY TV service. Somehow this is fair to a family with 8 kids and a disabled husband besides? To some it may be just a few of many channels, or only a few dollars! To others it is their lifeline to the outside world and the cost of replacing it not easily achieved.

its especially difficult to plan for the demise of lifetime or DBS when it has NOT been officially announced to its loyal subscribers, many of whom have no internet access.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 01:18 AM

When was the last time the "lifetime" deal was offered?
How many months of service (years) have customers received for their money?
If those lifetime customers would have paid monthly or annually would they have paid more money over those years or less than they got for their "lifetime" payment?

That is the beginning of the discussion of the "loss" lifetimers have incurred. $300 to $1000? Sounds inflated.

My mention of "lifetime of the satellite" refers to SkyAngel's deal with EchoStar that allowed SkyAngel to be a DBS company at all. They were on the path of losing their satellite assignments from the FCC until that deal was struck. SkyAngel should have replaced the satellite ... they didn't and that eventually led to the current situation where in a couple of months they won't have a satellite to broadcast on. So they have moved on.

As of the subscribe by September 15th, 2002 offering of "lifelong" subscription ($399) offer included these terms:

The lifelong subscription will begin immediately upon receipt of payment and entitles the subscriber to receive the Sky Angel package of thirty-six 24-hour Christian and family-oriented television and radio channels with no further monthly subscription fees for the lifetime of the subscriber and that of their spouse or for the operating lifetime of Dominion Sky Angel. If applicable, state sales tax will be invoiced later. This offer expires on September 15. 2002.

The SkyAngel lifelong subscription entitles you to receive all of the SkyAngel channels which are a part of the basic Sky Angel package of programming, including special events, as modified from time to time, with no additional charge or monthly fee. You also have access to future pay-per-view, special pay channels, and distance learning that may be carried on the SkyAngel system, however, there would be various additional charges for some of these specialized services. Programming, channels, number of channels, pricing and schedules are subject to change without notice.

Based on SkyAngel's failure to launch or procure a replacement satellite they have reached the end of their operating life time as a DBS service. If you would like to try to put the entire company out of business and make sure that Christian programming is not available from SkyAngel via IPTV a lawsuit is a step in that direction. It is not reasonable to expect SkyAngel to deliver programming into your home without their satellite service.

As far as the price ... lifelong was $399 at a time when monthly was $9.99 per month. That is 40 months of service ... which would have hit the break even point in February of 2006. Annual subscriptions were $108 at the time ... the break even point would have been reached in June of 2006 (not factoring in price increases). Yes, you may have expected service for life ... but if you take this to court you are likely to face a lawyer who will demonstrate that you got a good deal.

Life isn't fair ... but I don't believe you will find the answer to your problems in the court systems.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 03:39 AM

Good deal or bad deal is a matter of perception. $300- $1000 is what sky angel charged for life time memberships! If I had been paying $10-$15 a month for sky angel I would have cancelled it years ago. Lack of channels, cancelled channels, sub standard service etc.

People also had the option of buying 10 year subs. It is my understanding that DBS will end before their 10 years are up. Unless sky angel can come up with some very funny math, 10 years is equal to 120 months, no less.

why should a 10 yr not get 10 yrs and a lifetime not = a lifetime anymore? You are quoting a 2002 contract, earlier ones differed. Either way sky angel violated by not launching the satellite. They promised something they couldn't deliver in order to receive funds to keep their business afloat. some would call that dishonest.


A projected loss financially if you assume that a current subscriber is 40 yrs old, will live to 70 and that sky angel maintains the price at $25 might be something like this.....
$300 per year for the rest of the subscribers life must now be budgeted, $9000 if they live 30 years. Now you and I both know that sky angel or any other TV service will raise rates substantially in that time. sky angel has more than doubled just in the past few years once IPTV kicks in!

People prepaid to avoid having to pay out that kind of money. Many will do without tv due to such cost. $399 was/is a LOT of $$$ to some people. $ they may have chosen NOT to give to sky angel if they knew sky angel would not honor the terms THEY set up! Sky angel is not an example of good stewardship or good business management. they couldn't afford to launch the satellite they promised, they bought land that isn't buildable they are now attempting to sell while buy and building on yet more land.

Now they aren't even shipping the IPTV boxes to those who ordered them1 what do those people do in the mean time if they cancelled another service to switch to sky angel? If they paid for high speed they now don't need yet? I honestly can not fathom why anyone would attempt to justify this kind of behavior.

To dump it on people that if they sue sky angel they destroy Christian TV is ridiculous. Sky Angel has already done that. Unfortunately we funded them so they could get to this point.

glorystar is already an option and dish probably isn't far behind, even if it wasn't so be it. sky Angel isn't bringing the gospel to the unsaved by charging $25 a month. Look back at the ORIGINAL mission statements of sky angel. Something along the line of bringing the gospel to rural areas not otherwise served by tv...... IPTV certainly fits that bill , doesn't it? Except they now changed their mission statement (several times in fact). Sky angel will probably drive people right back to secular tv, after all they will already own the dish equipment. Besides high speed or any internet at all is an issue for some Christians.

It has already been pointed out that few get saved by watching sky angel. Sky angel has done more to alienate Christians and has created a feeling of dissent and corruption and suspicion of Christian TV equaled only by the Jim and Tammy.

Don't believe me? Just look at the descension on the forums that sky angel has caused among us Christian viewers! Instead of being one in christ we are divided into several camps. Add in the poor Canadians and you can see just what kind of message sky angel is spreading :(

I would suggest that people call sky angel and ask for a statement IN WRITING as to the status of DBS and their lifetime subs. To my knowledge none has been issued.

I actually received an email yesterday from someone affiliated with sky angel who told me "not to believe the forums". So which parts shouldn't we believe? so far this and other forums have been more accurante and honest than anything from sky angel! the forums hve been correct on every point so far that I have seen.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 04:58 AM

Good deal or bad deal is a matter of perception. $300- $1000 is what sky angel charged for life time memberships! If I had been paying $10-$15 a month for sky angel I would have cancelled it years ago. Lack of channels, cancelled channels, sub standard service etc.

I don't recall a $1000 rate. The last "lifelong" offer I remember seeing was for $495 (or near that) in 2003. If you have a source of a $1000 deal please provide it.

It is a shame that you became unhappy with your service. It sounds like your unhappiness is NOT connected to the service leaving DBS. If you had not made the choice to buy the lifetime membership you could have cut your losses years ago. There was no guarantee that the channel lineup would remain the same nor that their customers would be satisfied for their lifetime.

You are quoting a 2002 contract, earlier ones differed.

Feel free to scan and post an earlier contract.

A projected loss financially if you assume that a current subscriber is 40 yrs old, will live to 70 and that sky angel maintains the price at $25 might be something like this.....
$300 per year for the rest of the subscribers life must now be budgeted, $9000 if they live 30 years. Now you and I both know that sky angel or any other TV service will raise rates substantially in that time. sky angel has more than doubled just in the past few years once IPTV kicks in!

OK ... here's the deal. SkyAngel pays all lifetime subs $300 for every estimated year of life they have left - goes broke and out of business and no longer provides Christian programming to anyone. Would that make you happy? That sounds like vengence to me.

To deny all of the people who could be encouraged, uplifted and kept on the path via SkyAngel IPTV the SkyAngel service seems selfish.

Sky angel is not an example of good stewardship or good business management.

Then don't do business with them. Find another provider. Or turn off the TV. There are options.

sky Angel isn't bringing the gospel to the unsaved by charging $25 a month.

And you think $399 lifelong subscriptions were purchased by the unsaved? Or at least by people who did not consider themselves saved? Gifts aside, it seems crazy to consider anything SkyAngel did outside of the free channel on DishNetwork to be outreach to the saved.

In fact, looking at their exclusive contract with Echostar that PROHIBITED Echostar from increasing their religious channel content and the lawsuit SkyAngel filed to enforce that contract and intentionally remove Christian channels from the Echostar system they seemed to operate AGAINST their stated goals - as often discussed on this forum over the past few years.

The problems at SkyAngel are not new.

Just look at the descension on the forums that sky angel has caused among us Christian viewers! Instead of being one in christ we are divided into several camps.

Do we all have to be in YOUR camp or are you willing to join someone else's?

Personally I'm willing to say "to {hockysticks} with SkyAngel, let God sort them out". It's not my job to hunt down the company and kill it.

I actually received an email yesterday from someone affiliated with sky angel who told me "not to believe the forums". So which parts shouldn't we believe?

It depends on what else was in the email. If they told you that DBS was never shutting down you know better.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 10:48 AM

I will throw this out to others on the board.

How much did you pay for your lifetime? year?

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Posted 07 January 2008 - 06:07 AM

I will throw this out to others on the board.

How much did you pay for your lifetime? year?


I believe I paid $299. I got in fairly early...1998 or 99. My contract is different than those previously posted and includes guaranteed service for the lifetime of the satellite with additional assurance that they are launching a new satellite to provide service for the lifetime of myself and/or spouse. SkyAngel didn't leave room to wiggle out in the contract I have.
I hope to have time to scan and post that as many have requested. I truly am a BUSY MOMMY OF 8 (and I'm doing it alone now) so time is at a premium here. :)
Mr. Long - the fact that lifetimers received X number of months of service resulting in a bargain rate of $X per month is not relevant here. Lifetime subscribers signed up and paid for a lifetime subscription, not a bargain monthly rate.
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