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#26 OFFLINE   purtman

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 11:03 AM

It would be interesting to go through the channels I recieve and categorize them under watch frequently, watch rarely, and never watch. Is there a place I can see the carriage fees for each channel? Then I can add the total carriage fees for my frequent+rarely channels, add an overhead figure for DTV, and see if I'm getting more or less than I pay for.


If you search the web, it's available.

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#27 OFFLINE   tonyd79

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 01:45 PM

It would be interesting to go through the channels I recieve and categorize them under watch frequently, watch rarely, and never watch. Is there a place I can see the carriage fees for each channel? Then I can add the total carriage fees for my frequent+rarely channels, add an overhead figure for DTV, and see if I'm getting more or less than I pay for.


A man dying of thirst will pay far more for a bottle of water than a man who is not even thirsty. The price is what it means to you, not what it costs to the supplier.

If you think the channels you get are not worth it, you don't buy it. It must be worth it to you or you wouldn't be buying it.
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Posted 27 June 2007 - 02:18 PM

If you think the channels you get are not worth it, you don't buy it. It must be worth it to you or you wouldn't be buying it.

If someone points a gun at you and ask for your wallet you will give it to him, but does it make it right?

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:17 PM

If someone points a gun at you and ask for your wallet you will give it to him, but does it make it right?


Poor analogy since you are in NO WAY forced/required to buy D*'s service.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 03:55 PM

Man the sports haters have come out in force on this one.
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Posted 27 June 2007 - 04:01 PM

If someone points a gun at you and ask for your wallet you will give it to him, but does it make it right?


Who is pointing a gun at you? I think you should report them to the police.

Once again, you don't want the product at the given price, you don't buy.
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Posted 27 June 2007 - 04:18 PM

Man the sports haters have come out in force on this one.


I'm not a sports hater. I love sports, especially college football and college basketball. I just think the B10 is obscene for demanding these fees for games which were mostly widely available (the games that lots of people wanted to watch anyway). And I am concerned what happens when the other conferences follow suit. Will we have 10 conference networks raising our television bills.

Put it on a sports tier or charge a subscription like Game Plan and Full Court.

The die-hard Purdue fans can then pay if they want to watch Eastern Ill at Purdue on Sept 8. Because I'm going to be watching Nebraska at Wake Forest, Marshall at West Virginia, or Miami at Oklahoma. Then later on that day, I will miss the BTN's exciting showing of Western Ill at Illinois so I can watch Notre Dame at Penn State (on ESPN), South Florida at Auburn, or Virginia Tech at LSU.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 05:35 PM

Lets say that ESPN only gets 5 million customer's to subscribe to it. Then they are going to want to raise the price to $3 or $4 for their channels.



What do you mean they (ESPN) are going to want to raise the price to $3, it's already there.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 05:41 PM

Poor analogy since you are in NO WAY forced/required to buy D*'s service.

Once again, you don't want the product at the given price, you don't buy.


True I am not forced to buy D* service, I can buy the exact same service delivered by E* or cable. But those are just the people in charge of the delivery of the good, the actual product is the channels. Can I buy NGC, Discovery, Sci-fi and another 10-15 channels of my interest anywhere? No. It's buy all or nothing.
I ask you a question. If the cable business model is go great and fair, why no other business sector has ever adopted it? Try to apply it to anything else and you'll understand why. It was the only way for cable to do business 30 years ago but the only reason why it is still in place is that everyone is making money at customer expenses. And the funny thin is that so many customers are totally fine with it.

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 06:06 PM

Man the sports haters have come out in force on this one.

D the leader in sports and may they always stay that way :sunsmile: Big Ten Fans get D :)

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 07:09 PM

D the leader in sports and may they always stay that way :sunsmile: Big Ten Fans get D :)


So Dolly, I assume you would be fine being forced to spend $1.10 for the ACC channel, and another $1.10 for the Big East channel, and another $1.10 for the B12 and another $1.10 for the Pac10 channel, and another $1.10 for the SEC channel, and another $1.10 for the CUSA channel, and another $1.10 for the Mountain West channel, and another $1.10 for the WAC channel?

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Posted 27 June 2007 - 08:08 PM

I say don't show any UofM games.


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Posted 27 June 2007 - 08:30 PM

So Dolly, I assume you would be fine being forced to spend $1.10 for the ACC channel, and another $1.10 for the Big East channel, and another $1.10 for the B12 and another $1.10 for the Pac10 channel, and another $1.10 for the SEC channel, and another $1.10 for the CUSA channel, and another $1.10 for the Mountain West channel, and another $1.10 for the WAC channel?


Thats a silly statement. Those conferences will never go that far. You MAY see an SEC network soon though.
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Posted 27 June 2007 - 09:21 PM

If you don't want to pay for this channel switch to Dish because they aren't going to carry this channel. It won't be much cheaper though. A lot of Midwest people over there are pissed and will lose access to some pretty decent college football games. Some of them will switch to D* so that will help spread the cost of the channel amongst more subscribers thereby justifying the high cost ($50Mil a year).

I can see the Big 10, Pac 10, and SEC demanding a high price but the other leagues would probably be regional broadcasts only. I agree that most of this stuff should be in the sports pack. For those that don't want to pay for my sports remember we are all paying for that infrastructure up there. Those satellites aren't cheap. And they may actually add a channel you want to watch like more HBO and Showtime in HD. Or MHD, VersusHD, and SpeedHD. I will definitely be watching those channels too. I'm glad I switched from Dish last year.:rolleyes:

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 01:24 AM

Oh man, you're here now too? :D



LOL. Actually, I got here 2 days before you.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 04:50 AM

Thats a silly statement. Those conferences will never go that far. You MAY see an SEC network soon though.



there already is a Mountain West Network (but it is just regional today). The SEC is already talking about a network. The ACC and BE, especially with their national basketball appeal, would follow suit. And you don't think the P10 and B12 wouldn't also try the same thing?

that is from the conference perspective.


Now look at it from the network perspective.

Fox Sports is partnering with the B10 to form the BTN. A side effect is that there will be no B10 games on ESPN Full Court or ESPN Game Plan. If the SEC goes forward with their talk about starting a network, then those games drop off Full Court and Game Plan. So rather than risk continued loss of revenue from their subscription packages, Disney/ESPN goes on the offensive and parters with the some conferences to start networks. CBS/CSTV does the same thing with other conferences. Disney and CBS have the market strength to get national distribution of their conference networks if the model has been set by the B10.

Take what ever model the B10 and cable companies develop, and multiply it by six. Because that is the minimum that will happen. So figure out what it is worth to you to watch Indiana vs Indiana State, because that is what you will be paying for FIU-Miami and Villanova-LaSalle.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 08:55 AM

First of all, Comcast has ruined the Mtn to the point that schools are looking to get OUT of that contract. Comcasts demands are so high for the channel that no one wants it so thats a bad example. The only other conference other than the Big Ten that would be able to sustain a network is the SEC. The other conferences know there would be a risk if they even tried. And I'll tell you why. Revenue sharing among schools.
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 09:26 AM

The other conferences know there would be a risk if they even tried. And I'll tell you why. Revenue sharing among schools.


Please explain.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:02 AM

So Dolly, I assume you would be fine being forced to spend $1.10 for the ACC channel, and another $1.10 for the Big East channel, and another $1.10 for the B12 and another $1.10 for the Pac10 channel, and another $1.10 for the SEC channel, and another $1.10 for the CUSA channel, and another $1.10 for the Mountain West channel, and another $1.10 for the WAC channel?


This example doesn't work. The B10 is asking for $1.10 within the Big 10 states (and only 10 cents elsewhere). They've also said they'd be happy on a digital tier outside of the Big 10 states. No cable subscriber will ever be hit with $1.10 for 7 or 8 different conference channels -- maybe for the primary conference in their region, but not for multiple conferences. I view the B10 Net as no different than a Regional Sports Network for the midwest. And it's being offered for about 1/3 of what most RSN's charge.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:30 AM

Please explain.


Google recent stories up. There are a few conferences where the "haves" are getting more in TV money than the "have nots". At least in the Big Ten ALL revenue is shared equally among teams, even bowl money. Not so in some of the other major conferences.
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:31 AM

This example doesn't work. The B10 is asking for $1.10 within the Big 10 states (and only 10 cents elsewhere). They've also said they'd be happy on a digital tier outside of the Big 10 states. No cable subscriber will ever be hit with $1.10 for 7 or 8 different conference channels -- maybe for the primary conference in their region, but not for multiple conferences. I view the B10 Net as no different than a Regional Sports Network for the midwest. And it's being offered for about 1/3 of what most RSN's charge.


Exactly
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 10:42 AM

This example doesn't work. The B10 is asking for $1.10 within the Big 10 states (and only 10 cents elsewhere). They've also said they'd be happy on a digital tier outside of the Big 10 states. No cable subscriber will ever be hit with $1.10 for 7 or 8 different conference channels -- maybe for the primary conference in their region, but not for multiple conferences. I view the B10 Net as no different than a Regional Sports Network for the midwest. And it's being offered for about 1/3 of what most RSN's charge.


Good point. A quick look of just BCS conferences indicates that some people may be hit for three $1.10 fees, since they have 3 teams in their state from different conferences. But most people would be hit with just one or two $1.10 fees. Of course everyone would be hit with the $0.10 fees for the remaining conferences.



But it could get even worse, if minor conferences get into the mix, even if they keep their channels just regional.

So let's say the Big East follows the Big Ten model, and charges $1.10 in states where they have a FB/BB school, $0.50 where they have a BB-only school and $0.10 where they don't have any school. The Atlantic 10 and MAC follow suit and charges $0.50. So someone living in Cincinnati or Philadelphia is now paying $1.10 for the B10 and BE, plus $0.50 for the A10 and MAC, plus $0.10 for the SEC, ACC, P10, and B12, for an extra $3.60 per month for stuff they used to get for free. In Florida, the total would be $4.60.



(Actually, as I run the numbers, as a Big East basketball fan in New Jersey, I hope the B10 is successful with the model and that the BE partners with ESPN to do the same thing. Although I can already watch every single BE conference BB game at no additional charge on TV or ESPN360, I would only get hit with $1.10 extra and the revenue for the Big East would be huge. In fact, the BE could lower the rate to $0.80 for football states and still bring in the same revenue at the Big Ten. And the incentive for ESPN is there since they already have cameras at all the games anyway.)




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