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#21 OFFLINE   Dusty

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:25 PM

Thats only $12 mil per year, they were asking $13-14mil from FSN


"According to Sports Business Daily, this is at least three times Fox had paid to carry the games."

Quote from Oregonian today.

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#22 OFFLINE   Dusty

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:38 PM

here's more. This guy sounds like a hoot. More power to him.

http://www.oregonliv...5010.xml&coll=7


This story was a column on sports page. There is also a front page story titled "Blazers' fans caught in a cable turf battle" with a lot more data and numbers in reference to the situation.

Interesting quote:
"Using Trail Blazers games as an anchor, the company launched Comcast SportsNet Northwest in November, making it available to its 600,000 subscribers in Oregon and southwest Washington.

In that region, some 350,000 satellite subscribers and 300,000 subscribers of other cable systems -- including Charter's 200,000 customers in Oregon and Washington -- can't get the network's 53 Blazers games. "

Note: Charter is owned by Paul Allen. Yes, the same owner of Blazers. That pretty gives you a sense of how bad the situation is. There were many mentionings of other Comcast situations at Philly, Washington DC, Sacramento, and San Diego, but after reading all that, I think we are probably in a situation only better than Philadelphia. There is no reason to be optimistic any more.
Charter said they are considering an arbitration option. Under current FCC regulation, only Comcast competitors can initiate such process.

"In Comcast's hometown of Philadelphia, the cable company denies satellite providers access to the city's pro baseball, hockey and basketball team games. Partly as a result, the FCC found, the region's satellite penetration was 11 percent in 2005, about half the national average of 22 percent."

http://www.oregonliv...ll=7&thispage=3

Ironically, Verizon ran a full page FIOS TV ad right next the second part of this story in the inner page. Verizon just launched the service here available to 230,000 homes on Comcast turf while saying the service is to be expanded to Gresham next year. I wonder the reaction to those at Comcast when reading the story. More reasons to dig in?

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Posted 12 December 2007 - 01:41 PM

"According to Sports Business Daily, this is at least three times Fox had paid to carry the games."

Quote from Oregonian today.


Makes more sense, the only number I had ever seen was the 13-14mil that the Blazers were asking from FSN NW
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Posted 13 December 2007 - 01:36 AM

Looks like Verizon Fios has struck a deal with Comcast:



Perhaps D* will be next??

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 01:37 AM

Here is the link which should have been in the last post:

http://blog.oregonli...al_to_carr.html

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 04:25 PM

Looks like Verizon Fios has struck a deal with Comcast:



Perhaps D* will be next??


Yes, they have. Let's hope it creates a business model other carriers (OK, I only care about D*) can follow.

It is said that SD version will start on FIOS by the end of the year and HD in 2008. If D* inks the deal now, I suppose we won't see it by all star break.

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 05:16 PM

funny but i could have sworn i noticed an SD version of this in my guide, maybe a day or two ago.

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 05:31 PM

Here's another link that might allow some of us to help move the talks along:
http://blog.oregonli...tage_day_1.html

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 07:53 PM

This is just getting ridiculous.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 07:29 AM

my bad, i misread the guide.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 09:49 AM

Yes, they have. Let's hope it creates a business model other carriers (OK, I only care about D*) can follow.

It is said that SD version will start on FIOS by the end of the year and HD in 2008. If D* inks the deal now, I suppose we won't see it by all star break.


remember Verizon Fios is not D* in negotiations with Comcast .... Fios has CSN Philly in Philly since comcast's paid politians also get plenty of local funding from Verizon ... I assume the same thing in the northwest is true .... IMHO putting any faith in a D* deal getting done because FIOS did a deal is foolish ...there is no correlation at all

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 09:59 AM

remember Verizon Fios is not D* in negotiations with Comcast .... Fios has CSN Philly in Philly since comcast's paid politians also get plenty of local funding from Verizon ... I assume the same thing in the northwest is true .... IMHO putting any faith in a D* deal getting done because FIOS did a deal is foolish ...there is no correlation at all


But, D* and others still have one "Ace in the Hole," they can ask the FCC for commercial arbitration to get a deal done. As of now, neither D*, nor any other MSO has asked for that.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 10:24 AM

remember Verizon Fios is not D* in negotiations with Comcast .... Fios has CSN Philly in Philly since comcast's paid politians also get plenty of local funding from Verizon ... I assume the same thing in the northwest is true .... IMHO putting any faith in a D* deal getting done because FIOS did a deal is foolish ...there is no correlation at all


No, Comcast had to offer CSN Philly to Verizon because they are not a satellite based company. The landline clause they are using to keep CSN Philly from DirecTV and Dishnet does not provide them protection from other cable companies. And despite what Verizon tries to call itself, it is a cable company. CSN Philly is on plenty of other cable companies in the Pennsylvania/New Jersey area than Comcast.

Is CSN Northwest fiber only? That is the only way the Verizon/CSN Philly model matches up.
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Posted 14 December 2007 - 11:20 AM

No, Comcast had to offer CSN Philly to Verizon because they are not a satellite based company. The landline clause they are using to keep CSN Philly from DirecTV and Dishnet does not provide them protection from other cable companies. And despite what Verizon tries to call itself, it is a cable company. CSN Philly is on plenty of other cable companies in the Pennsylvania/New Jersey area than Comcast.

Is CSN Northwest fiber only? That is the only way the Verizon/CSN Philly model matches up.


I don't think it is fiber only because I believe Directv carries CSN on their NBA league pass but can't offer it in their sports package. I might be wrong on this though.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 02:04 PM

I don't think it is fiber only because I believe Directv carries CSN on their NBA league pass but can't offer it in their sports package. I might be wrong on this though.

They do NOT carry CSN Northwest on NBA League Pass. I have League Pass and the Blazer games carried on CSN are blacked out.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 03:23 PM

They do NOT carry CSN Northwest on NBA League Pass. I have League Pass and the Blazer games carried on CSN are blacked out.


We're blacked out because we are in the Blazers DMA. Folks outside the Blazers DMA have been seeing those games. Messed up, isn't it?

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 03:47 PM

We're blacked out because we are in the Blazers DMA. Folks outside the Blazers DMA have been seeing those games. Messed up, isn't it?


This is so screwed up. I will consider buying NBA LP if it solves this problem for me.

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 04:02 PM

This is so screwed up. I will consider buying NBA LP if it solves this problem for me.

Buying NBA LP won't get you the Blazer games if you live in the Blazer DMA (as pbg clarified above).

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 04:05 PM

This is so screwed up. I will consider buying NBA LP if it solves this problem for me.


But I don't think it will. If you live in the Blazers DMA (you look like you're in P-town) you'll be blackout. For example, I live out in the Gorge, and in the Blazers DMA. I have League Pass, and for the games that League Pass carries with the Comcast Sports NW feed, I'm blackout. However for example, someone in Seattle with League Pass, would receive those games - D'oh!

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 04:09 PM

But, D* and others still have one "Ace in the Hole," they can ask the FCC for commercial arbitration to get a deal done. As of now, neither D*, nor any other MSO has asked for that.


Not sure how useful the ace card is. We are only two months into the season. It probably is hard for Comcast competitors to prove Comcast did not offer reasonable commercial terms. Verizon agreed to a term. How do you argue Comcast is not reasonable if Comcast' archrival can sign it? I suspect this is not something on D*'s top level priority, either. As much as I like the young Blazers and their 5 game winning streak, they are not tier one, yet. Ducks are still in contract with FSN. I just can't imagine executives at D* to give in an inch.

There are about 1.5 million house hold in the region. Comcast Northwest pays up to $13 million a year to Blazers. Granted they are getting ads from Fred Meier, BiMart and all, you are still looking at about $1 revenue per subscriber per month (since not all households are serviceable). I suspect their beginning negotiation is higher than $1. I can see why D* will think that is too high.




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