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#51 OFFLINE   Dusty

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 12:04 PM

Portland too small? Are you kidding... see where Portland falls on the list of populations in the US... http://www.infopleas...a/A0763098.html It may not be the most recent numbers, but I doubt its very far off... This issue is all about money and Comcast wanting to make tons more on a new product than a reasonable carrier would pay.. When they come down to earth, ( I expect this to happen in about a year due to market forces) they will end up on every carrier, Directv and Dish included...


Portland is not larger than Phillies. Neither sides blinks there, either.

I don't know how much Verizon paid Comcast. I doubt it is as much as $2. Whatever it is, there was an offer Verizon was willing to bite. Things doesn't quite make sense here. Verizon is totatlly focused on Comcast territory, whereas D* has more subscribers outside of Comcast service area. If there is a deal Verizon can accept, I really think it is more because the priority on this deal is not quite high on D*'s list. NFL is over, and we still don't have KOIN HD, did we?

If Blazers keep up the good work, with Greg Oden back, maybe they will get picked up my national TV a bit more often.

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 02:43 PM

Had I known Koin HD and the Blazers wouldn't appear on D* in a timely fashion -- I may not have signed up back in October.

Oh well just over a year and 1/2 unless I get tired of waiting and just pay the termination fee.

Of course Comcast is no prize either with the sky high rates.
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 08:48 PM

Portland is not larger than Phillies. Neither sides blinks there, either.

I don't know how much Verizon paid Comcast. I doubt it is as much as $2. Whatever it is, there was an offer Verizon was willing to bite. Things doesn't quite make sense here. Verizon is totatlly focused on Comcast territory, whereas D* has more subscribers outside of Comcast service area. If there is a deal Verizon can accept, I really think it is more because the priority on this deal is not quite high on D*'s list. NFL is over, and we still don't have KOIN HD, did we?

If Blazers keep up the good work, with Greg Oden back, maybe they will get picked up my national TV a bit more often.


Phillies is a whole other ball game and can not be compared to ANY other rsn in the country.. They are truly a special case... There is not even an option for arbitration.

And what makes you think veriozn isn't paying that much for the channel? A new system with billions of dollars in backing from its parent, you pay whatever you need to to get any and all stations up and running because you have to scramble and take more risks to gain peoples interest and get them to try you out.... Directv is not in the same situation...

As for KION, I understand they have been bought and are now under new management. Their are probably two reasons that you don't have that channel... 1, they are probably still working out the finer details of the agreement, which I know can take a long time. In LA it took several months to get the agreement in place for KCAL, which carries all of the away games for the Lakers, and a large amount of Dodgers games. The station went HD big time (all their news is in HD too, about 8 hours a day) last January, and we just started getting it in December. And they are owned by CBS, their studios are connected, and we've had CBS for 2 years. The other problem they could be running into is setting up the pipeline from KION to Directv. Has anyone heard if they are trying to do it via OTA, or are they setting up a dedicated fiber optic line?

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 09:01 PM

Ok, let’s suppose you are correct, and assume that Portland is a good size, RSN-less market that DirecTV wants to accommodate and get a deal done ASAP.

I think DirecTV and Comcast both have to know exactly what this deal is worth based on the several like agreements they already have in place. There has to be some existing precedent, right?

With that, if Comcast is truly asking some ungodly amount, which by all acoounts, seems to be the case, why doesn’t DirecTV choose to request arbitration?

Obviously there is ton of speculation on our parts, and though I find the negotiation process fascinating, I really have no idea how it works. Just seems if either party had any real interest in getting it done, they could.


Arbitration right now is not a good idea if your Directv. Verizon just ponied up, and thats because they are being aggressive, and can not afford to not pick up this channel immediately, whereas on a larger scale, Directv can hold out. And yeah, Directv knows how much they are willing to pay, and comcast knows how much they want to get from Directv, and those numbers are very far apart.... If I was comcast, I'd probably do the same thing. Tell your biggest competitor that they can either pay a huge sum that would help offset your lost of customers, or they don't get the channel, and hope that customers jump ship and go to comcast... Its not just Directv that has not reached an agreement with comcast on this, because all the other companies out their except veriozn understand that if they give in, that comcast will have set a precedence that will hurt all the carriers in the long run. In the event of a long stalemate, I believe Comcast at some point is going to have to get desperate for this channel (they spent way to much on Blazers rights not to) and will come to the table with all the providers in the area, the only question is, how long will that be? Look at Lin. They are holding their customers hostage now too, and nobody is wavering. The sat companies can hold out longer than anyone, and Lin is going to be in big trouble if they don't get a deal done by Feb 2009. Unfortunately, their isn't a large technologically shift coming to force comcast to make changes by a certain point... I think Directv wants to carry every RSN in the country asap, but the deal has to make since...

Of course this is all just speculation, as you say, but knowing what I know about how companies think they can always make more money no matter who's feet they step on by playing hard ball, especially when their backs are up against a wall, I think that somewhere in here there is at least a little truth...

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 09:51 AM

Is the lack of CSNW affecting you guys who have LP? *That* would be annoying.
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 12:31 PM

Is the lack of CSNW affecting you guys who have LP? *That* would be annoying.


Yes. The Blazer games are blacked out here on LP.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 12:42 PM

Phillies is a whole other ball game and can not be compared to ANY other rsn in the country.. They are truly a special case... There is not even an option for arbitration.

And what makes you think veriozn isn't paying that much for the channel? A new system with billions of dollars in backing from its parent, you pay whatever you need to to get any and all stations up and running because you have to scramble and take more risks to gain peoples interest and get them to try you out.... Directv is not in the same situation...

As for KION, I understand they have been bought and are now under new management. Their are probably two reasons that you don't have that channel... 1, they are probably still working out the finer details of the agreement, which I know can take a long time. In LA it took several months to get the agreement in place for KCAL, which carries all of the away games for the Lakers, and a large amount of Dodgers games. The station went HD big time (all their news is in HD too, about 8 hours a day) last January, and we just started getting it in December. And they are owned by CBS, their studios are connected, and we've had CBS for 2 years. The other problem they could be running into is setting up the pipeline from KION to Directv. Has anyone heard if they are trying to do it via OTA, or are they setting up a dedicated fiber optic line?


Because if Comcast's beginning position is $2, I can't imagine any negotiator will just say "OK". Be it $1.99 or $1.50, I just can't believe there was no counter offer made. Whatever that is, Verizon set a precedence. There is a rate that a competing carrier can agree to. I think it is going to be difficult for D* to prevail in arbitration. If D* wants a better rate, it is in their best interest to keep their mouth shut and test Comcast' patience. I don't know. If this drags on to the next season, I may try to suspend my account with D* and sign up with FIOS. My golf club is competing for Albertson club team championship against Pebble Beach team this weekend. It is broadcasted on CSNW. It is getting to be more than just Blazers. I am boycotting Comcast but I haven't had any beef with Verizon, yet.

KOIN's new parent company wants a deal that covers many stations. According to a recent response from KOIN posted by a forumer here, the disagreement is with other stations that they are trying to include in the same contract. I am more optimistic that will be resolved eventually. Hopefully before the next NFL season.

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 09:13 PM

I've noticed that the Blazers games which are broadcast by CSNNW HD are only shown in SD on the NBA League Pass. Yet, when they simulcast a CSNNW HD games on NBA TV it is shown in HD. Anyone know why the LP doesn't have access to the HD feed? Most of the other games on the LP are simulcast in HD when broadcast in that format.


Are you sure that it is their feed and not the away teams? ( if so, They probably have all the distribution channels in place in the area for the SD feeds from the previous contract with fox, but maybe Fox didn't leave the HD equipment in place for Comcast to send the HD feed to LP subs. I'm totally guessing on that one. Better possibility... Or it could be a contractual reasoning in regards to LP and they have to send out the sd feed for every LP carrier this year, but not the HD feed, so they don't send it out in HD) And I am sure that the reason you see the NBA TV feeds is because the feed is supplied to that network via the fact that the NBA owns that channel and they have a stake in that channel succeeding and brings in revenue for the team and they are probably obligated to via contract.

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Posted 26 January 2008 - 09:17 PM

Because if Comcast's beginning position is $2, I can't imagine any negotiator will just say "OK". Be it $1.99 or $1.50, I just can't believe there was no counter offer made. Whatever that is, Verizon set a precedence. There is a rate that a competing carrier can agree to. I think it is going to be difficult for D* to prevail in arbitration. If D* wants a better rate, it is in their best interest to keep their mouth shut and test Comcast' patience. I don't know. If this drags on to the next season, I may try to suspend my account with D* and sign up with FIOS. My golf club is competing for Albertson club team championship against Pebble Beach team this weekend. It is broadcasted on CSNW. It is getting to be more than just Blazers. I am boycotting Comcast but I haven't had any beef with Verizon, yet.

KOIN's new parent company wants a deal that covers many stations. According to a recent response from KOIN posted by a forumer here, the disagreement is with other stations that they are trying to include in the same contract. I am more optimistic that will be resolved eventually. Hopefully before the next NFL season.


I agree they probably didn't just roll over quickly, but I'm sure they paid more than Directv is willing. I think you said it best from Directv point of view... If D* wants a better rate, it is in their best interest to keep their mouth shut and test Comcast' patience; and I believe that they have probably sent the station an offer and said when your ready to talk about a figure in the same realm, let us know.....

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 09:55 PM

[quote name='ajc68'][quote name='inkahauts']Are you sure that it is their feed and not the away teams?QUOTE]

Yes 100%. It was the Blazers feed from CSNNW. They televise all home Blazers games in HD. I've seen plenty of other CSN games in HD on the LP. I wonder if this has something to do with CSNNW and D* not having a deal in place. I will have to keep an eye on Sixers games and see if there are ever broadcast in HD when using the Philadelphia Comcast feed (since they don't have a deal with D* in place either).

I've been watching the free preview this week trying to decide if I want to subscribe for the remainder of the season. If the CSNNW games aren't going to be available in HD, I will lose all my motivation to subscribe. The SD version is unwatchable.[/QUOTE]

Then I would have to guess that the reason the games are on LP is because of contract requirements between the league and Directv, and that has nothing to due with CSNNW being available on Directv.

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Posted 27 January 2008 - 10:55 PM

Are you sure that it is their feed and not the away teams?QUOTE]

Yes 100%. It was the Blazers feed from CSNNW. They televise all home Blazers games in HD. I've seen plenty of other CSN games in HD on the LP. I wonder if this has something to do with CSNNW and D* not having a deal in place. I will have to keep an eye on Sixers games and see if there are ever broadcast in HD when using the Philadelphia Comcast feed (since they don't have a deal with D* in place either).

I've been watching the free preview this week trying to decide if I want to subscribe for the remainder of the season. If the CSNNW games aren't going to be available in HD, I will lose all my motivation to subscribe. The SD version is unwatchable.


They ONLY time I have seen CSN Philly games in HD is during baseball season. They started showing some Phillies games in HD (Philly home games) as part of the deal to continue MLB EI.
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Posted 28 January 2008 - 05:00 AM

They ONLY time I have seen CSN Philly games in HD is during baseball season. They started showing some Phillies games in HD (Philly home games) as part of the deal to continue MLB EI.


Again, almost like a contract loophole Directv found to get access to those games for all their subs that don't live in the Philly market by getting the agreement from the league and the teams, completely bypassing CSNP opinions, and does not in any way produce any kind of agreement between CSNP and Directv....

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:24 AM

I'm guessing that Comcast is hardwired to the Rose Garden for HD, but they don't have the facilities (nor the demand) to uplink HD.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 07:43 AM

Here is a reply why KGW (8), the local channel that carries a few of Blazer games, is in SD.

"Thank you for taking the time out to write us, and for your answer, we don’t have blazers in hd because they would have to be fed from there end and they would have to have the equipment to broadcast in hd. Not all programs have it and they are one of them. So maybe in the near future they will add hd, but for now they don’t. Thank you for your continued support and for making KGW-TV your news and information source."

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 12:54 PM

Again, almost like a contract loophole Directv found to get access to those games for all their subs that don't live in the Philly market by getting the agreement from the league and the teams, completely bypassing CSNP opinions, and does not in any way produce any kind of agreement between CSNP and Directv....


I believe it was MLB that forced Comcast (Phillies) and Cox (Padres) to allow their games in the Extra Innings package if they wanted to sell that package to their customers.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:27 PM

For now, I am not picky. I'll take SD over nothing.

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Posted 29 January 2008 - 01:33 PM

Here's the response from D* regarding the lack of HD games on LP.

<<<D*>>>I'm happy to inform you that we are working hard to provide an impressive lineup of NBA games in HD on League Pass. And while the Portland Trail Blazers games have not been available in HD, we have offered other games. From November to mid-December, we have ramped up our HD League Pass offerings, building towards our goal of providing up to 12 HD games per week on League Pass in mid-December.


Here's their obligatory response regarding carrying CSNNW on D*...

<<<D*>>>As fopr the CSN Northwest channel, please be informed that we do not have an agreement in place with CSN Northwest at this time, but we are in negotiations with the network and we hope to carry this channel in the future.

For the record, I have seen CSNNW games in HD when simulcast by the NBA channel, just not on the LP.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:49 AM

Here is a reply why KGW (8), the local channel that carries a few of Blazer games, is in SD.

"Thank you for taking the time out to write us, and for your answer, we don’t have blazers in hd because they would have to be fed from there end and they would have to have the equipment to broadcast in hd. Not all programs have it and they are one of them. So maybe in the near future they will add hd, but for now they don’t. Thank you for your continued support and for making KGW-TV your news and information source."

Paul Allen can't afford HD equipment?

They actually wrote, "fed from there end"?

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 12:59 AM

Wouldn't it have made better sense if KGW would have contracted with CSN NW to produce the games so they could have been in HD OTA?!!
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Posted 30 January 2008 - 01:20 AM

Wouldn't it have made better sense if KGW would have contracted with CSN NW to produce the games so they could have been in HD OTA?!!


So far, I have only seen KGW broadcasting HD games when TNT or ESPN carries Blazer HOME games. For example, tomorrow's games is marked HD. It will also be on ESPN. Most games KGW carries are ROAD games, which can't be produced by CSN NW.

I am sure there is nothing money can't solve. It just seems there is not enough in it for them to care.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 09:43 AM

I replied to KGW about the HD issue again and they responded that it was a choice by the Blazer Game provider (CSN-NW, or Road Provider) to transmit in SD.

I don't buy that either.

HD in Portland on KOIN and CSN-NW is all I am waiting for.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 01:50 PM

I replied to KGW about the HD issue again and they responded that it was a choice by the Blazer Game provider (CSN-NW, or Road Provider) to transmit in SD.

I don't buy that either.

HD in Portland on KOIN and CSN-NW is all I am waiting for.


I am more greedy. I also want OPB. I think we may see KOIN and OPB before CSN-NW.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 05:06 PM

fortunately I am surviving with a $10 antenna I bought at Fred Meyer, I'm getting 75% signal strength so my picture on KOIN and OPB are good, but those crazy wind storms with rain and snow drop that number to 60%

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 08:00 PM

I replied to KGW about the HD issue again and they responded that it was a choice by the Blazer Game provider (CSN-NW, or Road Provider) to transmit in SD.

I don't buy that either.

HD in Portland on KOIN and CSN-NW is all I am waiting for.

My guide shows Cavaliers @ Blazers game tonight in HD on KGW. We'll see. Pre-game isn't HD. HD on ESPN hasn't been blacked out yet. Sometimes they'll black ESPN out if there's a local broadcast.

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Posted 30 January 2008 - 08:17 PM

Only ESPN is carrying the game in HD. Too bad for KGW, because I'm sure I'm not alone in choosing to watch ESPN over KGW.




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