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#26 OFFLINE   jheda

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:03 AM

+1 love the mx-500, although the center button is weak. The only difference is never told the wife $$$ :) :) :)

Back on topic.

i too rarely use the out of box remote. I think the OP will be excited with the mx500 or any universal.

Why would I care a thing about the remote? First thing I do is program my Mx-700 and toss the remote in the "remote graveyard" box to never see the light of day again. ;)

Seriously, get a good Univerasal programmable remote like an MX or Harmony and you will never know how you lived without them. WAF is high. I repeat, WAF is high. My wife thought I was nuts paying $150 for a remote a few years ago (MX-500, long since retired) but after a week she couldn't believe we hadn't done it years before. Same remote, same interface for all receivers. Press a button and all settings are automatically changed (i.e. press "Watch DVD" button sets everything up to watch a DVD). WAF can't be beat.


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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:04 AM

+1
Agreed. When I first setup my DVR systems, I purchased the Harmony 880, thinking that I would use that more often with my HT. Once I found out how to punch through the volume to my receiver, I don't use the Harmony anymore. It was still easier to use trickplay, etc on the D* remote.

Now my wife uses the Harmony and I use the D* remote. We have remote wars:lol: . Only function I miss is the ability to power on/off all of my components with one button push.


The first thing I did when programming my Harmony was to disable the ability to turn specific things off. I want sole control over my DLP TV, and I NEVER turn my HR20 off, no do I turn my HT receiver off (if I do, I can't make recordings overnight on my DVD recorder, as all video is routed via the HT receiver). Turning a DLP on and off more often than absolutely necessary, just kills the lamp life. Mine goes one once per day and stays on, unless the TV won't be viewed for more than 4 hours. Striking the lamp in a DLP is said to be the equivalent of 12 hours of bulb use. I can't verify that "rule of thumb", but I will say that I have well over 3000 hours on my original lamp, observing this precaution.

While I thought originally the ability to turn all stuff off, was neat...but for me it wasn't functional.

What I do like is the turn on/turn off for DVD players, DVD recorders and other peripherals when not in use. That is a GREAT feature of the Harmony (and other) multi-function remotes.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:13 AM

Another vote for a programable remote :)
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:36 AM

+1 love the mx-500, although the center button is weak.


I think that's a fair criticism. There are times when I have to hit that button on my MX-600 2x or 3X before it's recognized.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:05 AM

Why would I care a thing about the remote? First thing I do is program my Mx-700 and toss the remote in the "remote graveyard" box to never see the light of day again. ;)

Seriously, get a good Univerasal programmable remote like an MX or Harmony and you will never know how you lived without them. WAF is high. I repeat, WAF is high. My wife thought I was nuts paying $150 for a remote a few years ago (MX-500, long since retired) but after a week she couldn't believe we hadn't done it years before. Same remote, same interface for all receivers. Press a button and all settings are automatically changed (i.e. press "Watch DVD" button sets everything up to watch a DVD). WAF can't be beat.


I've been tempted to get the Harmony, but I guess I'm still confused on how one remote with a limited number of buttons can replace every other remote. For example, I want to balance the sound levels on my six surround speakers with my Denon A/V system. On their remote, one needs to open up a hidden compartment to get at the sound setup system parameters. Or for the HR20 remote, where are the color buttons?

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:35 AM

Maybe it's just me then. I have tried that HR20 remote and I absolutely loathe it. I think I will cling to my HR10 until the last pixel of HD content is disabled on it by DirecTV and then I'll pray to the good lord above that Dish or TW or someone else links up with Tivo, or DirecTV provides an alternative remote to their current one. Woe is me, woe is me!


The longer you have used the Peanut the harder it is to switch. I still occasionally hit select when I want pause. FWIW you can get used to it with time. I have had my HR20 since spring of 2006, and (except for occasional pause goofs) and I'm almost fully converted. :lol:
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:37 AM

Two words: Harmony 880 :)


Is 880 a word? :)

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:37 AM

I've been tempted to get the Harmony, but I guess I'm still confused on how one remote with a limited number of buttons can replace every other remote.


I use my Harmony 880 (as do my wife, in-laws, parents, etc...) for day to day usage. I have mine fairly customized, but don't have it "programmed to the hilt" in order to 100% replace every out of the box remote.

Thus I can do some basic menu configuration via the Harmony, but for the 1/month or so that I need to do some more detailed config, I dig the OEM remotes out of their box in the media cabinet.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:57 AM

I've been tempted to get the Harmony, but I guess I'm still confused on how one remote with a limited number of buttons can replace every other remote. For example, I want to balance the sound levels on my six surround speakers with my Denon A/V system. On their remote, one needs to open up a hidden compartment to get at the sound setup system parameters. Or for the HR20 remote, where are the color buttons?


I can't speak to the Harmony but I have the MX-700. I can control 10 devices on the remote. Each device besides all the "hard" buttons (numbers, FFW, Menu, etc.) there are 4 LCD "pages", 10 functions each so you can learn 40 different codes for each device beyond the hard buttons. And you custom lable each button. I highly doubt you'd fill all that up. ;)

So your A/V system for example, you can learn all those buttons in the hidden compartment to the LCD screen.

And once it's all setup you can then do macros. So on my main remote page if you press the "DVD" button down for 2 seconds it runs a macro that switches the input on the TV and switches the A/V receiver to the proper input and change the device page on the remote to the proper device. I could also set a theater mode on the A/V receiver and turn on the DVD player if I wanted. It's all programmed on the computer so it's point and click macros really. This is the WAF. All she needs to know is push the button for the "activity" she wants to do for 2 seconds and she's all set. Very little training. ;)

You also have several "favorite" screens which you can input stations on. So what I used to do for Sunday Ticket was create one screen for early games and one screen for late games. Say the Bears were on channel 715. I'd then create a favorite that would punch in "7 1 5 enter" and I'd label it "Bears". So if I wanted to see the Bears game I simply hit the button for Bears. I have no idea what channel it's on. :)

So anyway, back to your original question. When you press DVD, the buttons are for your DVD player. Press Tivo, it's for your Tivo and so forth. So FFW will FFW but for whichever device is active. The Harmony's work pretty much the same.

That's what a Universal Remote does, it really replaces all your remotes.

And if you want to really geek out, go to http://www.remotecentral.com
Yes, there is an entire web site and very active forums dedicated to just remotes. ;)

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 12:37 PM

I like the HR20 remote especially tbe backlit version. The buttons are bigger and very easy to find.

I would recommend the opinions above (universal remote, etc). You are missing out on some neat stuff.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 12:42 PM

I actually bought 3 of the HR20 remotes in the RF version with the backlighting for a grand total of $75.

And I was a peanut guy too - since my first DSR-6000 and 2 HR10-250's.

It took me about 2 days to get used to them.

I actually prefer the D* remote because it's RF and backlighted.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 12:45 PM

Maybe it's just me then. I have tried that HR20 remote and I absolutely loathe it. I think I will cling to my HR10 until the last pixel of HD content is disabled on it by DirecTV and then I'll pray to the good lord above that Dish or TW or someone else links up with Tivo, or DirecTV provides an alternative remote to their current one. Woe is me, woe is me!


Relax - the HR20 is a damn good machine. The remote is nowhere near as bad as I thougt it would be. I really wanted to hate the remote, being a Tivo-phile, but I now really like it.

Plus, the SAF is higher, which is a very good thing

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 12:52 PM

Scott, as I have said b4 love my mx, though not many out there... but do you fumble wih that center button too? Curious..

I can't speak to the Harmony but I have the MX-700. I can control 10 devices on the remote. Each device besides all the "hard" buttons (numbers, FFW, Menu, etc.) there are 4 LCD "pages", 10 functions each so you can learn 40 different codes for each device beyond the hard buttons. And you custom lable each button. I highly doubt you'd fill all that up. ;)

So your A/V system for example, you can learn all those buttons in the hidden compartment to the LCD screen.

And once it's all setup you can then do macros. So on my main remote page if you press the "DVD" button down for 2 seconds it runs a macro that switches the input on the TV and switches the A/V receiver to the proper input and change the device page on the remote to the proper device. I could also set a theater mode on the A/V receiver and turn on the DVD player if I wanted. It's all programmed on the computer so it's point and click macros really. This is the WAF. All she needs to know is push the button for the "activity" she wants to do for 2 seconds and she's all set. Very little training. ;)

You also have several "favorite" screens which you can input stations on. So what I used to do for Sunday Ticket was create one screen for early games and one screen for late games. Say the Bears were on channel 715. I'd then create a favorite that would punch in "7 1 5 enter" and I'd label it "Bears". So if I wanted to see the Bears game I simply hit the button for Bears. I have no idea what channel it's on. :)

So anyway, back to your original question. When you press DVD, the buttons are for your DVD player. Press Tivo, it's for your Tivo and so forth. So FFW will FFW but for whichever device is active. The Harmony's work pretty much the same.

That's what a Universal Remote does, it really replaces all your remotes.

And if you want to really geek out, go to http://www.remotecentral.com
Yes, there is an entire web site and very active forums dedicated to just remotes. ;)


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Posted 12 July 2007 - 01:16 PM

Scott, as I have said b4 love my mx, though not many out there... but do you fumble wih that center button too? Curious..


Nope. I think that was an issue with the MX-500 but I don't have it on my MX-700.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 01:45 PM

I like the HR20 remote especially tbe backlit version. The buttons are bigger and very easy to find.

I would recommend the opinions above (universal remote, etc). You are missing out on some neat stuff.


+1 I have the backlit version of the HR20 remote and I loved it. I've since moved on to a Harmony Remote (xBox360 version). It has a glow button for a backlight and colored buttons to match the ones on the HR20 remotes for interactive.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 02:09 PM

Maybe it's just me then. I have tried that HR20 remote and I absolutely loathe it. I think I will cling to my HR10 until the last pixel of HD content is disabled on it by DirecTV and then I'll pray to the good lord above that Dish or TW or someone else links up with TiVo, or DirecTV provides an alternative remote to their current one. Woe is me, woe is me!

First, Welcome!

Once you spend some time over here, you will see that we are the fun ones! :)

It took everyone in my family about 1 to 2 days to adjust to the HR20 remote when we moved from the TiVo remote.

Now when we use the TiVo it feels weird to all of us. We now all greatly prefer the HR20 remote.

I think that this has more to do with what we are comfortable with than the TiVo remote being a "bad" remote.

And as a converting TiVo user, your war cry is supposed to be DLB not the remote. :)

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 03:45 PM

mbamenra, spend some time on milo's tips and tricks, and other of his amazing documents, youll cut your learning time to nothing. Its still on my coffee table. he has done yoemans work on these.

And if you have DLB withdrawl, come to the existing DLB sticky thread in lieu of creating a new one...

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First, Welcome!

Once you spend some time over here, you will see that we are the fun ones! :)

It took everyone in my family about 1 to 2 days to adjust to the HR20 remote when we moved from the TiVo remote.

Now when we use the TiVo it feels weird to all of us. We now all greatly prefer the HR20 remote.

I think that this has more to do with what we are comfortable with than the TiVo remote being a "bad" remote.

And as a converting TiVo user, your war cry is supposed to be DLB not the remote. :)

See the TiVo Users Survival Guide for more.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 03:51 PM

Two words: Harmony 880 :)


you took the words right out of my mouth. It's peanut shaped and almost perfect for the task. If the IR emitter was a little stronger, it would be the remote of all time.

If the Tivo remote is really the one for you, check out the Tivo Glo remote at

http://dynamic.tivo.com/2.7.1.asp

I don't know anyone who's tried this but supposedly it's a learning remote that is the same shape as the Tivo peanut.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:25 PM

Striking the lamp in a DLP is said to be the equivalent of 12 hours of bulb use. I can't verify that "rule of thumb"


I have heard it's the equivalent of 2hrs. Would be real nice to know a more accurate estimate.

Put me in the camp of people that mourns the lose of the peanut. I just recently got an HR20 and am trying to adjust to the remote but do have issues with it.

I think I would dislike it a lot more if they swapped the play control section with the menu section. Having the ff buttons and instand replay at the top sucks for me. It's not comfortable to hold and I use thos functions most often.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 08:14 PM

I have heard it's the equivalent of 2hrs. Would be real nice to know a more accurate estimate.

Put me in the camp of people that mourns the lose of the peanut. I just recently got an HR20 and am trying to adjust to the remote but do have issues with it.

I think I would dislike it a lot more if they swapped the play control section with the menu section. Having the ff buttons and instand replay at the top sucks for me. It's not comfortable to hold and I use thos functions most often.


I'd put my value of 12 hours in the category of an unconfirmed rumor. In any case, excessive striking of the bulb will shorten bulb life. I use 3 or 4 hours for my "turn it off" point and the bulb life has been fantastic. YMWV (will vary, not might vary):D
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 02:42 AM

It's funny, the one thing I can't wait to get away from when switching to the HR20 is the Tivo remote. I hate it. I really hate how they stuck the tv power button directly below the replay button. This is the stupidest idea ever! I don't know how many times that I've turned the tv off when I thought I was hitting the instant replay button.

I also think the clear and enter/last buttons are in a horrible place below the numbers. Why not put them above the numbers like all of the other function keys? I also don't like the arrows button. There have been a lot of times that I pressed it the wrong way (usually to the left) while moving up and down in the SP manager and guess what? I see "Please wait...this might take a while" pop up.:nono2:

There are some nice things about the Tivo remote too. I do like the shape of it and how it fits in my hand. It makes it easy to hold it one handed. The play/ff/rw/slow keys are also in a perfect place on the remote as well.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 07:12 AM

I couldn't care less about either remote since I have a Home Theater Master MX-600 Universal Remote.


an old mx-500 here but I couldn't agree more. Get a universal that you can program and you'll never look back. The Tivo remote is ok but I hated that it has no back light.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:28 AM

Two words: Harmony 880 :)


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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:49 AM

I've been tempted to get the Harmony, but I guess I'm still confused on how one remote with a limited number of buttons can replace every other remote. For example, I want to balance the sound levels on my six surround speakers with my Denon A/V system. On their remote, one needs to open up a hidden compartment to get at the sound setup system parameters. Or for the HR20 remote, where are the color buttons?



You are correct that the Harmony 880 has a set number of "hard" buttons, but the colored display gives you endless possibilities to add buttons from your OEM remote. I used the 880 for 2 years and loved it. I added ALL buttons for all 7 of my devices to it. There seriously was not 1 button on any of the OEM remotes that was not on my 880. I was able to clean off the coffee table, and put the 7 remotes in the remote graveyard. The Harmony with the colored buttons that he is referring to is the 880 from the UK I believe???? The colored buttons are in place of the up and down buttons that are right under the display. I have now used the Harmony 1000 since January, and have done the same, all button are in there. The advantage as well to the Harmony remotes is that you can place the buttons wherever you like on the screen......if you want button x next to button h, then do it!:D

I use the RC32RF for the HR20 in the bedroom, and like it better than my old "peanut", I like the layout, the backlit buttons, and the RF!!!!:D

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 01:01 PM

The Xbox360 version of the Harmony remote also has the colored buttons.

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