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#51 OFFLINE   m4p

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 01:11 PM

Maybe it's just me then. I have tried that HR20 remote and I absolutely loathe it. I think I will cling to my HR10 until the last pixel of HD content is disabled on it by DirecTV and then I'll pray to the good lord above that Dish or TW or someone else links up with Tivo, or DirecTV provides an alternative remote to their current one. Woe is me, woe is me!


I wasn't that crazy about the HR20 remote so I bought a Harmony and love it. But I wouldn't let a remote stop you from enjoying the upcoming HD mp4 content. Maybe they have a 12 step program for remotes? :D

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#52 OFFLINE   MikeR

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 09:33 PM

What I do like is the turn on/turn off for DVD players, DVD recorders and other peripherals when not in use. That is a GREAT feature of the Harmony (and other) multi-function remotes.


Another thing I like is a pseudo 1 button guide on the R15 with the Harmony . I did get rather good at double punching the D* remote, but it has messed me up with the 1 button guide on the HR20.
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#53 OFFLINE   ShiningBengal

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 04:51 PM

Maybe it's just me then. I have tried that HR20 remote and I absolutely loathe it. I think I will cling to my HR10 until the last pixel of HD content is disabled on it by DirecTV and then I'll pray to the good lord above that Dish or TW or someone else links up with Tivo, or DirecTV provides an alternative remote to their current one. Woe is me, woe is me!


It isn't that I have never used any other remotes but the TiVo peanut. I've used some that were worse some that were a lot worse, but IMHO, none better.

I suppose I could get used to a jockstrap lined with nettles if I had to (not a bad analogy), but I will NEVER get used to the HR20 remote. I tried very hard. Yes, it has an RFI transmitter, but in my installations, that makes no difference.

Thank goodness for Harmony universal remotes, or I would be an ex-DirecTV customer!

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 05:41 PM

It isn't that I have never used any other remotes but the TiVo peanut. I've used some that were worse some that were a lot worse, but IMHO, none better.

I suppose I could get used to a jockstrap lined with nettles if I had to (not a bad analogy), but I will NEVER get used to the HR20 remote. I tried very hard. Yes, it has an RFI transmitter, but in my installations, that makes no difference.

Thank goodness for Harmony universal remotes, or I would be an ex-DirecTV customer!


Umm no offense, but how can you judge your TV service provider on the remote they offer?? That is a little extreme if you ask me. You should be judging staying with D* based on their programing and services and not a remote. I didn't mind the TiVo peanut, but i didnt love it......probably its placement of the power button and input button annoyed me. I actually like the D* remote better........buy thatts aside from my point just because i really didnt like the TiVo when it was the only things available doesnt mean i would drop them.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 05:43 PM

I prefer the DirecTV remote over the TiVo peanut. The layout seems more logical. RF is a plus. :)

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 05:46 PM

I like my TV, my HR20, my sound system and other accessories. The remote? I push the buttons untill I see what I like and throw it on the couch.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:06 PM

I find it works well, I had it on RF and found it slow to respond and switched it back to IR
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:08 PM

Tivo peanut is the best remote ever made. Not that it doesn't have a couple of things that could be better, but is as close to perfect as any remote I've ever held.

HR20 remote is not that bad, but it could be so much better than it is.

I've recently gotten both a Harmony 880 and 670 and they ain't that great either. The 880's playback buttons are horribly positioned and the damn clicky clicky hard plastic buttons on both Harmony remotes are annoying as hell.

The 670's playback button layout is ok, but the buttons have absoulelty ZERO tactile feel to them. Feels like running your fingers over a slab of small ball bearings.

Both the Harmony's are powerful remotes yes, but are junk in terms of phyiscal design IMO.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:49 PM

Umm no offense, but how can you judge your TV service provider on the remote they offer?? That is a little extreme if you ask me. You should be judging staying with D* based on their programing and services and not a remote. I didn't mind the TiVo peanut, but i didnt love it......probably its placement of the power button and input button annoyed me. I actually like the D* remote better........buy thatts aside from my point just because i really didnt like the TiVo when it was the only things available doesnt mean i would drop them.


Yes. Just did. As far as I'm concerned, EVERYTHING a TV service provider offers is interface. They don't create the program material, you know.

All kinds of things about the HR20 (interface) are a step backward from TiVo. TiVo was about keeping things simple and intuitive. The HR20 is just the opposite and its remote is sympomatic of "design by committee." Its great that DirecTV is getting more HD. But so is everyone else.

Seems like you are making necessity (putting up with a crappy interface to obtain more programming) into a virtue. ;)

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 11:27 AM

You should switch to a service where you can use Tivo as soon as it is financially practical. Life is too short to be angry every time you try to watch TV. If it bothered me as much as you I probably wouldn't use it at all and just watch mpeg 2 on my Tivo.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 12:57 PM

You should switch to a service where you can use Tivo as soon as it is financially practical. Life is too short to be angry every time you try to watch TV. If it bothered me as much as you I probably wouldn't use it at all and just watch mpeg 2 on my Tivo.


Where did you get the impression I was angry? Didn't you see the smiley? I'm not angry. I just understand what makes the wheels turn at DirecTV, and it isn't paying TiVo money when they don't have to.

I could switch to Comcast and get a Series 3 TiVo. Thought about it, and it ain't worth it. I have the finances, just know the value of a buck.

:D :D A Harmony remote won't fix what's wrong with the HR20, but then it's only $75.00:D :D

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:19 PM

Everything changes.. When xp came out I hated it, then I got used to it.. now I'm on Vista, still some things I don't like about it but a little tweaking and some time I'm actualy quite used to it now...
Took some time to get used to even having a DVR but my 2 HR20's have worked well and I would realy miss them now :)

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:20 PM

Just curious, those of you that have a Harmony remote, how do you have the color buttons set up?

Will it ever be possible for the unit to operate in IR and RF mode at the same time, so that you can use a Harmony in the main room and and RF remote in another room?

Thanks

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:29 PM

I set the color buttons on the soft keys of both of mine.

I sure hope they make it where the IR and RF reciever can be made active at the same time. I don't hold out much hope that they will though.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:29 PM

Just curious, those of you that have a Harmony remote, how do you have the color buttons set up?

Will it ever be possible for the unit to operate in IR and RF mode at the same time, so that you can use a Harmony in the main room and and RF remote in another room?

Thanks


I have red and green on the up- and down-arrows and have yellow and blue programmed into the soft keys of my Harmony 880. If the 885 wasn't a lot more money I'd go for that one, since it comes with the four color keys already (as does the Xbox 360 model).

I'd like to see the HR20 work with both IR and RF (I'd probably get rid of my R15 in that case).

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 12:41 AM

Thanks to everyone for their opinions on remotes. Ok, perhaps I will relent at some point soon and forsake the 6-year loyalty I've had to Tivo and my beloved remote (though I do agree on the funky placement of the power button). Maybe I'll pick up a gotdam expensive universal remote. Maybe even over time, the tears of grief over losing the first true love of my life (Tivo) will be fewer and further between. Damn, it just feels like infideliy. Tivo, I'm sorry, I am. If I do break down and convert, just know that I loved you deeply and always will have a special place for you in my heart. Woe is me.

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Posted 20 July 2007 - 01:08 AM

Hard to believe anyone who has an HDTV/HR20 would use the default remote! Get rid of it... buy one of the many remotes that will control EVERYTHING...

The best I've found (for value and feel) are from universal remote... check them out... http://www.universalremote.com/

We currently are using a couple of their R7's...

By the way.. to me the Hormony remotes stink and are WAY to pricey You cannot FEEL them... the keys are too close and similar and small. With the R7 I can use it in total dark... great key setup.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 06:19 AM

Hard to believe anyone who has an HDTV/HR20 would use the default remote! Get rid of it... buy one of the many remotes that will control EVERYTHING...

The best I've found (for value and feel) are from universal remote... check them out... http://www.universalremote.com/

We currently are using a couple of their R7's...

By the way.. to me the Hormony remotes stink and are WAY to pricey You cannot FEEL them... the keys are too close and similar and small. With the R7 I can use it in total dark... great key setup.


For 99% of my normal operations the RC32RF remote from D*(includes backlit keys) does what I need and my Harmony sits on the coffee table waiting for some heavy duty HT theater stuff.

What do I need: HR20 specific operations (which the D* does more ergonomically than any 3rd party remote), and adjust volume on my HT theater receiver.

BTW, is that Hormony remote you mention a Harmony on steroids?:)

I'm not taking sides on one 3rd party remote vs. another...but if someone operates the HR20/HT combo the way I do the majority of the time, a 3rd party remote of any kind is unnecessary. The RC32RF is 25 bucks.
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Posted 20 July 2007 - 10:27 AM

Where did you get the impression I was angry? Didn't you see the smiley? I'm not angry. I just understand what makes the wheels turn at DirecTV, and it isn't paying TiVo money when they don't have to.

I could switch to Comcast and get a Series 3 TiVo. Thought about it, and it ain't worth it. I have the finances, just know the value of a buck.

:D :D A Harmony remote won't fix what's wrong with the HR20, but then it's only $75.00:D :D

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Sorry guy! I was responding to the OP but neglected to use the quote.




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