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#1 OFFLINE   cansv

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 04:32 PM

Does anyone know what actual numerical channel's the new ones will be on? Will they be 267-1 or on a whole new series of numbers?

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:04 PM

1001, 1002, etc :D

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:07 PM

Does anyone know what actual numerical channel's the new ones will be on? Will they be 267-1 or on a whole new series of numbers?


I think at this point it would all be speculation.

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:31 PM

If DIRECTV follows the model for locals and HD Regional Sports Networks, the HD channel and the SD channel will be the same, and the HD channel will appear before the SD channel in the guide and when punching in numbers.

The big mystery is where DIRECTV will put HD channels that don't have SD counterparts ... They could try to squeeze those new channels in empty slots (like MHD, the MTV HD channel). Worst case would be to renumber everything, but I don't think DIRECTV would go that far, for there are way more SD receivers in use than HD receivers, and DIRECTV would tick off a lot of people by moving channels around...

#5 OFFLINE   DonCorleone

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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:42 PM

Yeah, I don't know. I have to say that I was very opposed to the 70's sequencing in the beginning, but it's actually kind of nice going straight there for HD stuff. Of course, I guess you can actually use the guide filtering to do that.

So, yeah, I'll go with a vote of same channel #. Can't wait to someday type 622 and see the pre-game show in HD!!
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 11:21 PM

If DIRECTV follows the model for locals and HD Regional Sports Networks, the HD channel and the SD channel will be the same, and the HD channel will appear before the SD channel in the guide and when punching in numbers.


I have a question. I have an HR20 hooked up via HDMI to my HD set. It also is hooked up to two SD sets. I can tune to any HD channel on the SD sets and watch them -- it automatically displays the contesnt in SD. So, why don't they simply eliminate the SD version of a channel when the HD one becomes available? Won't HD owners be able to tune to it and watch in HD and SD owners use it for SD? Wouldn't it save bandwith and channel number space?

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 04:45 AM

I have a question. I have an HR20 hooked up via HDMI to my HD set. It also is hooked up to two SD sets. I can tune to any HD channel on the SD sets and watch them -- it automatically displays the contesnt in SD. So, why don't they simply eliminate the SD version of a channel when the HD one becomes available? Won't HD owners be able to tune to it and watch in HD and SD owners use it for SD? Wouldn't it save bandwith and channel number space?

It would certainly save bandwidth to shutdown the SD channels, but the problem is there are millions of receivers out there that ONLY receive SD MPEG2 channels ... Only the new HR20 and H20 (and maybe Dxx) receivers can receive the MPEG4 channels, so if DirecTV wants to shut down MPEG2 SD, they'd have to swap out millions of receivers. That's an expensve proposition, and is one that would take a long time.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 05:23 AM

Does anyone know what actual numerical channel's the new ones will be on? Will they be 267-1 or on a whole new series of numbers?


According to the NFL Sunday Ticket ad on their website the NFL Network will be on 95 if that helps.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 05:42 AM

According to the NFL Sunday Ticket ad on their website the NFL Network will be on 95 if that helps.
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95 is a HD sports catch-all channel. NFL network will have its own place on D10.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 06:33 AM

Can't wait to someday type 622 and see the pre-game show in HD!!

What do you mean? The Yankees pre-game show is in HD.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 10:26 AM

I have a question. I have an HR20 hooked up via HDMI to my HD set. It also is hooked up to two SD sets. I can tune to any HD channel on the SD sets and watch them -- it automatically displays the contesnt in SD. So, why don't they simply eliminate the SD version of a channel when the HD one becomes available? Won't HD owners be able to tune to it and watch in HD and SD owners use it for SD? Wouldn't it save bandwith and channel number space?

on issue with doing that is SD is typicall in 4x3 and HD is 16x9. i am sure the SD only folks would really complain if they were forced to view everything in letterbox (even a 4x3 picture being shown in 16x9 would be letterbox'ed). so without that being resolved, even if they swapped out all the boxes this really wouldn't be an option.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 10:39 AM

on issue with doing that is SD is typicall in 4x3 and HD is 16x9. i am sure the SD only folks would really complain if they were forced to view everything in letterbox (even a 4x3 picture being shown in 16x9 would be letterbox'ed). so without that being resolved, even if they swapped out all the boxes this really wouldn't be an option.


Actually, letterbox would be sweet for those without a HDTV/receiver...I would not mind a bit for the bedroom TV. But, that still doesn't help the millions of folks (like me) that still have a boatload of MPEG2 boxes.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 11:20 AM

They might let NFL Network be on 95 again like last year as well as an mpeg 4 version being ST still will have a mpeg2 HD. By the middle of football season, there shouldn't be any more sneak peaks being those channels would already by HD full time by them that ought to help some of the bandwidth, Its only 3-4 hours. Next year will likely be a different story.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 11:24 AM

If DIRECTV follows the model for locals and HD Regional Sports Networks, the HD channel and the SD channel will be the same, and the HD channel will appear before the SD channel in the guide and when punching in numbers.


I think they should only do this for channels that are an exact simulcast of their SD station. If its a station that shows different content sometimes or all the time, they should not be the same channel, it would get too confusing.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 11:46 AM

on issue with doing that is SD is typicall in 4x3 and HD is 16x9. i am sure the SD only folks would really complain if they were forced to view everything in letterbox (even a 4x3 picture being shown in 16x9 would be letterbox'ed). so without that being resolved, even if they swapped out all the boxes this really wouldn't be an option.


More and more SD programming is 16:9. Almost all NBC shows, for example. And for the shows that aren't (e.g. CBS), they cut off the sides of the shows for the SD version (it's all shot in 16:9), so you're actually better off getting a letterboxed version.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 11:59 AM

I think they should only do this for channels that are an exact simulcast of their SD station. If its a station that shows different content sometimes or all the time, they should not be the same channel, it would get too confusing.

That's the way it will be. The vast majority of the new channels they'll be adding will be simulcasts, so they'll end up on the same channel as the SD broadcast. Others, like MHD, will be put in where appropriate. They put MHD on 332 and not 331, because it's not a simulcast of MTV.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 12:02 PM

Yeah, I don't know. I have to say that I was very opposed to the 70's sequencing in the beginning, but it's actually kind of nice going straight there for HD stuff. Of course, I guess you can actually use the guide filtering to do that.

So, yeah, I'll go with a vote of same channel #. Can't wait to someday type 622 and see the pre-game show in HD!!


I type 622 and see a pregame show in HD all the time, then I quickly switch to 625 to see a good team's HD pregame show. :P
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 12:24 PM

on issue with doing that is SD is typicall in 4x3 and HD is 16x9. i am sure the SD only folks would really complain if they were forced to view everything in letterbox (even a 4x3 picture being shown in 16x9 would be letterbox'ed). so without that being resolved, even if they swapped out all the boxes this really wouldn't be an option.


I have had my HR20 hooked up to a 4:3 SD TV. The crop and stretch modes work in the opposite way of on a 16:9 set. They stretch vertically and crop to 4:3.

It was odd because watching baseball on an HD broadcast, eveything looked "normal" because the graphics are typically within the 4:3 field of a 16:9 broadcast anyway.
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 01:58 PM

It was odd because watching baseball on an HD broadcast, eveything looked "normal" because the graphics are typically within the 4:3 field of a 16:9 broadcast anyway.

Yep, pretty much everyone except TNT and HDNet do this.

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Posted 13 July 2007 - 02:07 PM

Yep, pretty much everyone except TNT and HDNet do this.


HDNet? I haven't seen it there. I like its hockey broadcasts.




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