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Poll: Do you NEED the Internal & External Drives to work Together ??? (189 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you NEED the Internal & External Drives to work Together ???

  1. YES I NEED & Want both together for The Extra Recording Space (142 votes [75.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.13%

  2. External hard Drive is enough for me (8 votes [4.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.23%

  3. Extra space would be nice, But not that important to me (32 votes [16.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.93%

  4. 300GB space is more then enough (7 votes [3.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

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#26 OFFLINE   Ken S

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 08:31 AM

What kills me about this poll is noone NEEDS both drives. Want is the only option that makes sense. This is tv for goodness sakes. If you cant store enough tv in a RAID 0 enclosure with two 500 or 750GB drives, when are you ever going to watch it all?


It kills you?
Actually, no one needs a DVR...or a TV. Let's just shut it all down.
If this topic is so devastating to your health perhaps you should have just skipped it.
We really need to go back to 64K of RAM in computers too...who needs all that extra memory?

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#27 OFFLINE   Drew2k

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 08:43 AM

We really need to go back to 64K of RAM in computers too...who needs all that extra memory?

:rolleyes: 64k? Yeah .... look at the braggart! My Commodore VIC-20 had 5k of memory, only 3.5k available for the user, and I got by!








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#28 OFFLINE   Ken S

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 10:02 AM

:rolleyes: 64k? Yeah .... look at the braggart! My Commodore VIC-20 had 5k of memory, only 3.5k available for the user, and I got by!








;) :P Typed in jest of course! :)


When I bought my 64 (upgrade from a Timex Sinclair) I got a modem too...what a huge mistake that was ;)

#29 OFFLINE   DVRaholic

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Posted 22 July 2007 - 08:16 PM

Recorded a HD Movie last night now my Recording space left is Under 20%
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#30 OFFLINE   DVRaholic

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 03:26 PM

As of 5:25 pm 7/24/07

74.11% want the Hard drives combined ASAP

I find it hard to believe Only 112 HR20 Users have voted on this Poll

Wow you would think with All the New HD coming in September More people would want this option!
The hard drives are going to be filling up much faster!!

Directv combining the hard drives together will benefit Everybody!!

Come on Members.. Vote and Post your Comments!!!
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Posted 24 July 2007 - 03:30 PM

I voted the closest I could find to "whatever floats your boat". I see problems with trying to get both drives to work together when one is removable. eSata enclosures are only going to get cheaper, so just get the biggest you can.
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Posted 24 July 2007 - 03:59 PM

My quandary with the 1st choice was wording using NEED. I could not choose that option if I was going to vote honestly. Not one person NEEDS that disk space. Everyone wants it.

The poster discussing the issues about how to incorporate combining the internal and external together makes an excellent point. Using current technology, it seems the only way for this to work is when you hook up the external drive, it would have to wipe out all material on both drives to create an LVM, so you couldnt just fill an external drive, and hook up another one on the fly, it would have to completely wipe out the data on the internal drive again everytime you decided to mate it with a different external.

They could create a choice upon boot, but even if you told and told and told everyone what the consequences of choosing to combine the 2 drives disk space were during the boot process, can you just see the number of posts/support calls to D* about "hey where are all the shows I had on the original drive, they're gone, you guys are the worst company, blah, blah, blah"

It would become a support nightmare.

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 04:07 PM

When I bought my 64 (upgrade from a Timex Sinclair) I got a modem too...what a huge mistake that was ;)


Another Timex Sinclair guy! My hard drive was a casette player. Oh Z80 where have you gone?:lol:

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 04:16 PM

The poster discussing the issues about how to incorporate combining the internal and external together makes an excellent point. Using current technology, it seems the only way for this to work is when you hook up the external drive, it would have to wipe out all material on both drives to create an LVM, so you couldnt just fill an external drive, and hook up another one on the fly, it would have to completely wipe out the data on the internal drive again everytime you decided to mate it with a different external.


I raised this problem on the "esata but..." thread a while back.
I need/want the 2 drives to work together--but not if it's going to reformat the esata drive.

My greatest fear (OK, a little hyperbole here) is that a CE will activate both drives, and my recordings will vanish. On one DVR, I filled up the internal drive (granted, with stuff I may never watch) before adding the external. So that would be a potential TB of recordings vanished. And if we're given a warning (this new software will wipe out your external drive), we need (not want) to have an option for playing those recordings, such as an option that will allow us to continue to use the drives separately until they can be safely integrated.

Earl keeps telling us that the esata support is a lower priority. Until DTV can find a way to allow us to continue to use the recordings on our current external drive, I'm willing to wait.

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 04:53 PM

What kills me about this poll is noone NEEDS both drives. Want is the only option that makes sense. This is tv for goodness sakes. If you cant store enough tv in a RAID 0 enclosure with two 500 or 750GB drives, when are you ever going to watch it all?


I NEED it. I also NEED the USB port activated to support an external drive. I record most shows in prime time by program and wait until I have them all to watch them all at once (over a period of about a week per program). I'm just finishing Heroes this week. My wife and I prefer this method over watching as recorded. We still have Lost to watch and several other series. Doing it this way, we need a lot of hours. My TiVos took up the slack last season and I hope to be able to use the HR20s with eSATAs to replace some of the TiVos this year.

We very rarely watch live TV. I used to have about 10 VCRs running constantly when I had cable. Then Ultimate TV and TiVo and now the HR20. This just keeps getting better and better. But, I still NEED more hours!

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 04:57 PM

I voted the closest I could find to "whatever floats your boat". I see problems with trying to get both drives to work together when one is removable. eSata enclosures are only going to get cheaper, so just get the biggest you can.


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Posted 27 July 2007 - 06:55 PM

Ohh well, Poll started 8 days ago and only 130 voted.
Guess its not as important as I thought it was :(

Guess I will have to start Deleting in September
to make room for all the new HD :(
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 07:54 PM

The Dishnetwork USB drives will play from directly from the USB. But funny thing, sounds like trickplay "sucks" from the USB drives, especially on HD...

Just being able to migrate or archive recordings from one unit to another within my account is a very important thing--at least until HD recording is resolved and economical. As drives become larger and I have more favorite recordings, I hate to lose them every two years as I replace units from failure or new and improved.

Cheers,
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I agree. The ability to move recordings from a box to an external drive and be able to watch it in another box is a compromise of the multi-room feature. Better yet, storing (without watching) it on any computer harddrive is even better.

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 04:51 AM

My quandary with the 1st choice was wording using NEED. I could not choose that option if I was going to vote honestly. Not one person NEEDS that disk space. Everyone wants it.

The poster discussing the issues about how to incorporate combining the internal and external together makes an excellent point. Using current technology, it seems the only way for this to work is when you hook up the external drive, it would have to wipe out all material on both drives to create an LVM, so you couldnt just fill an external drive, and hook up another one on the fly, it would have to completely wipe out the data on the internal drive again everytime you decided to mate it with a different external.

They could create a choice upon boot, but even if you told and told and told everyone what the consequences of choosing to combine the 2 drives disk space were during the boot process, can you just see the number of posts/support calls to D* about "hey where are all the shows I had on the original drive, they're gone, you guys are the worst company, blah, blah, blah"

It would become a support nightmare.


Aww c'mon...computers have been able to store data on multiple drives for quite some time. The only issue would be either dealing with a file spanning two drives...or more likely managing the system so that when a file is to large for the space remaining on the one drive it gets written to the other one.
Sure, striping and RAID are more elegant ways to do it, but they're by no means mandatory.

As for people losing their data...DirecTV's CSRs have very little problem with telling people to format their drives to potentially fix an issue.

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 06:37 AM

Not having both is a silly waste of space, as well as wear and tear on the internal drive. The drives should be additive. Of course this is asking for the obvious as D* has said before that this feature is in the que, just not high priority.

I certainly agree with that! Lots of other stuff to work on that do more good for more people. It's not like there's no room on the existing drive, or it was terribly under sized.
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Posted 28 July 2007 - 09:30 AM

Not having both is a silly waste of space, as well as wear and tear on the internal drive. The drives should be additive. Of course this is asking for the obvious as D* has said before that this feature is in the que, just not high priority.

I certainly agree with that! Lots of other stuff to work on that do more good for more people. It's not like there's no room on the existing drive, or it was terribly under sized.


Hasan,

I agree...and in reality it's not all that unusual in the world of computers to toss a smaller drive when upgrading. It'd be nice if they used both...but there are certainly more important things that need to be done.

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 10:16 AM

I do need the extra space. Will life go on if I don't get it, sure but that is not the point. For my families needs and wants I need the extra space. I need as much space as I can get. I have 2 small children, we record multiple shows just for them to watch. This alone takes up quite a bit of space. Now throw in the serials that we record and throw in a few HD movies, guess how much space is going to be left. I have 157 hours of space on my SD Directivo and there have been times when that has not been enough. My wife and I work schedules that do not always allow us to watch our shows that night, that week even. For example we just finished watching the last season of SG-1 the other night. So, I do need that kind of space.

If there is a drive inside then it should be recording, not just sitting there creating heat, IMHO.
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Posted 28 July 2007 - 12:28 PM

I would be satisfied with ability to switch between the internal and external drives in software and that the unused drive would power down. It would also be nice if files could be transferred from one drive to the other so one could be used for current recording and the other for archiving programs. A bonus would be the capacity to take the external drive and be able to plug it in to a replacement unit (keeping the recordings).

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 12:52 PM

when you add an external drive do you have to set up all your season passes/links/auto-records again???

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 12:54 PM

when you add an external drive do you have to set up all your season passes/links/auto-records again???


Yes

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Posted 28 July 2007 - 01:49 PM

Hasan,

I agree...and in reality it's not all that unusual in the world of computers to toss a smaller drive when upgrading. It'd be nice if they used both...but there are certainly more important things that need to be done.


Ken, in the "old days", you wouldn't believe how hard it was for me to toss a perfectly working drive when I picked up a newer larger (and cheaper) one. I was working on an old 550 mhz overclocked Celeron last week and it had 3 partitions on it....5, 8 and 7 gigs. :) Over 10 years old and the drive still works perfectly (it has run 24x7 since installation)

Way off topic: I just bought an external USB 2.0, 250 gig drive at Sams for $79.00
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Posted 28 July 2007 - 10:03 PM

Ken, in the "old days", you wouldn't believe how hard it was for me to toss a perfectly working drive when I picked up a newer larger (and cheaper) one. I was working on an old 550 mhz overclocked Celeron last week and it had 3 partitions on it....5, 8 and 7 gigs. :) Over 10 years old and the drive still works perfectly (it has run 24x7 since installation)

Way off topic: I just bought an external USB 2.0, 250 gig drive at Sams for $79.00



hahaha...old days and it had 5 gigs? My first HD had 5MB. :)

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Posted 29 July 2007 - 08:34 AM

hahaha...old days and it had 5 gigs? My first HD had 5MB. :)



I wasn't going that far back, just that I was still USING that computer with WinXP!

I remember my first ST-225 seemed like the biggest drive in the world, and my friend paying 1200 bucks for his first 10 mb hard drive.

Anywho, a trip down nostalgia lane.:)
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