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SWM.. What's the big deal?


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#1 OFFLINE   jacobp

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 11:59 AM

I recently switched out my HR10s with two HR20s. I also have another DirecTivo and another basic DTV box. So in all I have 4 TVs in my home. I no longer use OTA.

If I understand correctly, SWM allows you to run one wire per box instead of multiple wires and also allows you to use diplexers if you are using OTA, just like I used to on my HR10.

If the installation is already completed, and all is working fine, and I have no desire to use OTA, is there any advantage to using SWM?

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#2 OFFLINE   HDTVsportsfan

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:00 PM

Simple answer is no. Not that I know of anyway.
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#3 OFFLINE   veryoldschool

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:03 PM

SWM is more for those that have a cabling problem, where they can't run enough coax to supply feeds to all of their boxes.
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:08 PM

The impact of SWM....

Will be mainly seen in older homes, that have pre-wired for "cable"...
Where it would be extremely costly, difficult (if not impossible), to run additional lines... inside the walls. (and in some cases at all).

MDU's will also be greatly impacted by the SWM technology....
As almost all MDU's built in the last decade or so... have been built (or retrofitted), for some sort of "cable" solution... but almost none of them were run with 2 let alone 3 lines.


For someone like me... SWM has next to impact... as when I built my house... I knew the system... I knew I needed 2,3, and even 5 dedicated runs from a central point, to the room. (I have just short of 4,000ft of coax running in the house)

I am far far the exception to the rule, and the targetted audience for SWM. (not that I wouldn't benefit from it, but I am not the targetted audience).
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#5 OFFLINE   jacobp

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:34 PM

As a fellow Sox fan, I thought you would get a kick out of my "logo." While it was created in 2003 for obvious reasons, here's hoping that it was a renewed significance this year and for many years to come.

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:38 PM

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#7 OFFLINE   Earl Bonovich

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 12:40 PM

As for the logos....

I don't cheer against the Cubs.. .unless we are playing head to head.
Even I was a bit disappointed when they where knocked out a few years ago.

My disappointed only lasted about 5 minutes though...
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:23 PM

Earl, maybe I'm missing something here, but if its primarily targeted for older existing homes, arent most of those homes going to have poorly rated RG59 running through the walls that needs to be replaced anyway? If you gotta pull one new run through, there is no reason not to pull 2 or more at the same time. I think the SWM is a great idea, but its not going to solve the problems some are having due to faulty/inadequate wall cabling in the 1st place.

#9 OFFLINE   Earl Bonovich

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:25 PM

Earl, maybe I'm missing something here, but if its primarily targeted for older existing homes, arent most of those homes going to have poorly rated RG59 running through the walls that needs to be replaced anyway? If you gotta pull one new run through, there is no reason not to pull 2 or more at the same time. I think the SWM is a great idea, but its not going to solve the problems some are having due to faulty/inadequate wall cabling in the 1st place.


SWM was designed to work with RG59; RG6 is not a requirement.

You will need RG6 rated cables from Dish to SWM... but out of the SWM on the non-legacy ports... RG-59 will work.
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:28 PM

Even with a new home cabling can be an issue. I purchased a spec home last year and while I got the builder to run extra coax to a number of locations there were a few that would be a real pain to get runs installed to, so for me a SWM would still be a welcomed addition.

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:34 PM

It will come in very hand with the mini-mansions around here. A lot (99.5%) are wired with just one run to a room. People with a 500,000+ house don't like to see RG-6 tacked to the side of their house. :( In practicly all of them there is zero chance of getting a second or third line ran without having some trained rodents to crawl through walls.

Lost count on how many DVRs are hooked up with just one line. :(
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:46 PM

I recently switched out my HR10s with two HR20s. I also have another DirecTivo and another basic DTV box. So in all I have 4 TVs in my home.
If the installation is already completed, and all is working fine, and I have no desire to use OTA, is there any advantage to using SWM?


With a SWM you will be able to use your single cable runs to your HR20s and use both sat tuners. You can only use one sat tuner with one cable now. Then you could record one sat channel while you watch another live. Now you are forced to watch only the program that is being recorded.

That would be a benefit, if you desire it. :)
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 01:51 PM

The big reason I wanted SWM is because we had OTA with our HR10-250s (PBS was awesome in HD). My town was wired for A-B cable so when we moved in here, the battle was half done. I was able to put my OTA on my satellite line and then split it back at the HR10-250.

HR20 comes out. No combining the OTA on the line the same way you could do it with the HR10. I was without OTA for a few months because there was no way I was running a third line to all of my locations. It wouldn't be cost effective. As soon as I got my SWM, I got back my PBS plus all the sub-channels that I had prior and life was good again because that 2nd line I was using before now is being used for OTA.
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 02:14 PM

Clean hookup :) where I would have 6 cables (4 sat 2 OTA) I now have one :)
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 02:26 PM

I had a DTC-100, one of the first HD receivers, in my living room.
In the intervening years, the house was re-done with vinyl siding.
At the time, DVRs with a 2 tuner/cable requirement were just becoming available.

In order to get the MPEG4 feeds, I upgraded to an HR20. Reading here about the SWM solidified my decision to *not* rip the siding off 1 entire side of the house to get a 2nd line run - or have a tech do something really kludgy that would look like crap.

You're correct, of course - if you already have 2 cables run to a variety of locations, the SWM is a "nice to have" and nothing more.

I just wish I could get one - like yesterday - or maybe get into one of the late trial runs....

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 05:25 PM

In its simplest form, SWM provides the opportunity of flexibility and choice - to operate devices with multiple tuners (most commonly HD DVRs) to be located in any room in the home.

My home is only 6 years old, and others in my subdivision are only 3 years old, yet virtually none of the 500+ homes there have more than 1 cable run line to most (if not all) rooms.

While my dedicated Home Theater was constructed with the necessary cabling and other requirements for a successful HD viewing experience that includes multiple concurrent tuners (watch 1 channel, record another).

It may not be critical for some, and may not be needed for some others, but in general, flexibility and choice options are good things.
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 05:40 PM

Now how does that all work with needing all the SCC RG6, wouldnt you still need the signalling and the DC voltage to be able to pass from the LNBs to the receiver on the other end?

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 05:50 PM

If the installation is already completed, and all is working fine, and I have no desire to use OTA, is there any advantage to using SWM?


even tho i haven't had much of a chance to see if it's true or not (no rain). this is what was told to me in the SWM chat when i asked if it helped any with rain-fade. the answer was, "yes, to a small degree the SWM will help with rain fade".
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Posted 23 July 2007 - 05:54 PM

Now how does that all work with needing all the SCC RG6, wouldnt you still need the signalling and the DC voltage to be able to pass from the LNBs to the receiver on the other end?

All of that is handled by the SWM.. there no longer is any "power" on the lines to the boxes..

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Posted 23 July 2007 - 06:20 PM

All of that is handled by the SWM.. there no longer is any "power" on the lines to the boxes..

Just from the power inserter to the SWM and then on to the LNBs
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