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Could these HD-DVD Titles... help close the gap?


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#61 OFFLINE   chopperjc

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 02:48 PM

While you may believe that you arent a fanboy, you come across as one.
Not trying to argue with ya, just thought you might want to know.:)


+1. I enjoy opinions and facts. I do not enjoy insults. It only hurts your argument.

#62 OFFLINE   Cholly

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 05:09 PM

Here's the info on Blu-ray Disc capacity: 25 GB single layer, 50 GB double layer. No mention of a 3 layer disc as yet. Note: this is not the official Blu-ray Disc Association web site. I've had trouble trying to load that site this evening. (blu-raydisc.com)
http://www.blu-ray.com/info/

Here's info on HD DVD specs:
http://www.thelookan...dofperfect.com/

And finally, here's Toshiba's press release, announcing a triple layer disk with up to 51 GB capacity.
http://www.toshiba.c...7_01/pr0801.htm

Interestingly, the double layer Blu-ray Disc can conceivably hold more data -- up to 200 GB in eight layers as proposed by Sony. See the following link:
http://www.emedialiv...cleid=11420#ivc

Regarding the Playstation 3: Sony admitted recently that PS 3 sales have been disappointing, with first quarter sales worldwide at 710,000.
http://www.shacknews...article.x/48157
Granted, Sony predicts they'll sell 11 million units by March, 2008 -- but based on performance to date, they'd have to have a huge holiday season.
Also, their prediction of sales of 250 million software titles is just that -- a prediction. That wold mean that the average PS 3 owner would have purchased over 22 PS 3 games. Highly unlikely.

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 09:36 AM

Respectfully, I think you're missing the point..

Family titles drive sales the most. Are the most popular movies going to be available on the format of choice? Disney's Pirates trilogy, all their Pixar movies and, good grief, wait until they open the vaults.. All Blu-Ray. HD-DVD had a big chronological lead, getting their stuff out first but first doesn't mean you win (see Betamax).

So if you're looking for a high def player for that new rear-projection widescreen you bought at Wal-Mart (and more will be sold there than in the shops that cater to techies) what are you looking for? TITLES. What good does a $150 HD-DVD player do you if you can't get the titles you want? It's all about the *software*.

I originally thought there was no way that the HD-DVD camp could lose this 'war' but it certainly seems like they're doing that. Universal is the only holdout that doesn't produce Blu-Ray. If they see that Warner is making big bucks on both formats, why would Universal leave all that money on the table by not producing Blu-Ray. And if Universal starts pressing Blu-Ray, why would I ever want an HD-DVD player at ANY price?

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 09:55 AM

Respectfully, I think you're missing the point..

Family titles drive sales the most. Are the most popular movies going to be available on the format of choice? Disney's Pirates trilogy, all their Pixar movies and, good grief, wait until they open the vaults.. All Blu-Ray. HD-DVD had a big chronological lead, getting their stuff out first but first doesn't mean you win (see Betamax).

So if you're looking for a high def player for that new rear-projection widescreen you bought at Wal-Mart (and more will be sold there than in the shops that cater to techies) what are you looking for? TITLES. What good does a $150 HD-DVD player do you if you can't get the titles you want? It's all about the *software*.

I originally thought there was no way that the HD-DVD camp could lose this 'war' but it certainly seems like they're doing that. Universal is the only holdout that doesn't produce Blu-Ray. If they see that Warner is making big bucks on both formats, why would Universal leave all that money on the table by not producing Blu-Ray. And if Universal starts pressing Blu-Ray, why would I ever want an HD-DVD player at ANY price?



I totally agree. Disney titles are what will matter most. And Disney is Blu-ray
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#65 OFFLINE   Cholly

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 12:43 PM

I totally agree. Disney titles are what will matter most. And Disney is Blu-ray


Here, we are in total agreement. :grin: Disney and Fox pretty much rule the roost when it comes to popular titles. MGM also is a big contributor.

If, indeed, there comes a time when only one of the two present formats survives, I believe it will be Blu-ray Disc. As I've said in prior posts, when Blu-ray players become more affordable, I'll probably get one.

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 02:35 PM

Recent Nielson numbers show what's happening:

WEEK: BD-66% HDD-34%
YTD: BD-67% HDD-33%
SinceInception: BD-60% HDD-40%

2-1 for the year, my guess is 3-1 by Christmas.
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#67 OFFLINE   Earl Bonovich

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 02:42 PM

Didn't Disney fully 100% support the DIVX platform?

While I am in 100% agreement that content (not necessarily the root technology), is what will drive the consumer market.

But for someone to enjoy that content.. the technology has to be availalble.
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Posted 03 August 2007 - 02:42 PM

Amon37 -- I stand by my comment about publishers concentrating on the Wii and XBox 360 rather than the PS/3. Electronic Arts, for example, has postponed development/release of several titles. Once again, I got this information from several online sites -- not from Sony.

Before you gents throw stones, check a little further.


There is no stone throwing happening, just a friendly debate. :D

EA currently has no titles announced for the 360 only and all EA titles are being released on the 360 and PS3 at the same time except for MOH:Airborne.

Rockstar has delayed GTA:IV for both systems

Capcom/Konami/ are releasing their Multi-platform titles at the same time.

On the flip side.

Epic is releasing UT3 on PS3 before the 360 version, Ubisoft is releasing HAZE on the PS3 before the 360 version.
Rockstar has confirmed that L.A. Noire is exclusive to the PS3.
There is talk that Bioshock is in development for the PS3.
Burnout Paradise has been developed with the PS3 as the lead platform.
Bizzare Creation has said the DVD-9 has limited what they can do with weather effects on PGR4 for the 360


With better development tools being released to devs. from Sony it is becoming less of a hassle to develop for the PS3.(which by the way has not even been out a year yet)

See what "Gems" the 360 had in it's first year of release, not much.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:35 AM

There were lots of universal players. They could playback SACD, DVD-A, DVD-V, and CD. There are still several manufacturers making universal players. Both formats when done right, absolutely made the cds sound like 128k mp3s....plus add to th efact that a large percentage of them are/were in 5.1 surround. M/C high-res audio absolutely blows away cds.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 01:45 AM

Well of course Disney backed BR -since its Sony. The other large piece of the pie noone seems to have commented on was Steve Hirsch and Vivid backed BR IIRC. Vivid back in the day also backed VHS and not BETA. Dont underestimate the effects of the porn industry on media..

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 09:26 AM

Completely false.




Actually this is somewhat true, more so in the WII market as publishers see the popularity of the console and the fact that they can develope two games for the price of one PS3 game.

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Posted 05 August 2007 - 12:36 PM

Both formats when done right, absolutely made the cds sound like 128k mp3s...


You say this as if it was a good thing... but standard CD audio is something like 1400k bitrate. I don't know about SACD, but I have to think it is even higher since it is supposed to be of better quality.

If a format makes your CD sound like a 128k MP3, then that is a bad thing. MP3 can sound good by itself at certain levels, but with a side-by-side comparision to a CD it will produce noticable lack of quality.

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Posted 06 August 2007 - 09:36 AM

Well of course Disney backed BR -since its Sony. The other large piece of the pie noone seems to have commented on was Steve Hirsch and Vivid backed BR IIRC. Vivid back in the day also backed VHS and not BETA. Dont underestimate the effects of the porn industry on media..


Its not going to matter this time because its freely available online this time around, whereas back in the VHS/Beta days, that was basically the only way people could get it. So don't over-estimate it.
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Posted 06 August 2007 - 09:39 AM

Actually this is somewhat true, more so in the WII market as publishers see the popularity of the console and the fact that they can develope two games for the price of one PS3 game.


Well I don't know anyone who owns a Wii, they take Wees, but don't own one. But virtually everyone I know either has a PS3 or an X-box 360, and none of the Wii games are every checked out from my local BB. Frankly its a toy, not a next generation media device like the PS3.
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Posted 06 August 2007 - 12:13 PM

Well I don't know anyone who owns a Wii, they take Wees, but don't own one. But virtually everyone I know either has a PS3 or an X-box 360, and none of the Wii games are every checked out from my local BB. Frankly its a toy, not a next generation media device like the PS3.


Must be a regional thing. I have all three and it is MUCH harder to get games for the Wii than ps3 or 360.
And sure the graphics arent as cutting edge, but the game play is much more so. And vastly more entertaining at this point. Im sure that will die down some as People get used to it, but for now its the one that i recommend they purchase. And thats not a knock on any of the systems, they all have strong points.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 08:47 AM

full article at:http://news.digitalt..._hd_dvd_players
Toshiba Announces 3rd-Gen HD DVD Players

Monday, August 6th 2007 @ 10:30 AM PDT



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Toshiba has announced its third generation of HD DVD players, and puts pressure on the Blu-ray camp by starting prices at $299.99.


Electronics maker Toshiba is ratcheting up competition with the Blu-ray high-definition video camp again, announcing its third generation of its HD-A HD DVD players for the U.S. market. The three new units are timed to hit retailers just as the end-of-year holiday buying season ramps up, and all three units will be priced under under $500, and with low-end pricing starting at just $299.99.

Keeping up with Toshiba's non-stop claims that the HD DVD format is dominating the high-definition market, the VP of Marketing for Toshiba's Digital A/V Group, Jodi Sally, stated: "With a majority market share in unit sales of next generation DVD players, consumers are speaking loud and clear, and they are adopting HD DVD as their HD movie format of choice. Because of the proven manufacturing efficiencies of the HD DVD format, Toshiba can bring this level of innovation in technology to a new generation of players with cutting-edge functionality at affordable prices."

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:07 AM

Well I don't know anyone who owns a Wii, they take Wees, but don't own one. But virtually everyone I know either has a PS3 or an X-box 360, and none of the Wii games are every checked out from my local BB. Frankly its a toy, not a next generation media device like the PS3.


Perhaps the Wii doesn't have next gen graphics, but it has attracted huge sales since it came on the market, lagging behind first place Xbox 360 by only a few percentage points -- and the Xbox 360 has been on sale for a year longer. See:
http://www.vgchartz.com/ for total sales figures of all console systems in the U.S. and Japan.
The Wii has attracted a whole new group of buyers - people who hadn't in the past bought videogame consoles. It's great fun to play for all age groups. The only reason the Wii hasn't sold more units is that Nintendo can't crank them out fast enough. Just go to your neighborhood store and try to find one.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 09:23 AM

full article at:http://news.digitalt..._hd_dvd_players
Toshiba Announces 3rd-Gen HD DVD Players

Monday, August 6th 2007 @ 10:30 AM PDT



By Geoff Duncan
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Toshiba has announced its third generation of HD DVD players, and puts pressure on the Blu-ray camp by starting prices at $299.99.


Electronics maker Toshiba is ratcheting up competition with the Blu-ray high-definition video camp again, announcing its third generation of its HD-A HD DVD players for the U.S. market. The three new units are timed to hit retailers just as the end-of-year holiday buying season ramps up, and all three units will be priced under under $500, and with low-end pricing starting at just $299.99.

Keeping up with Toshiba's non-stop claims that the HD DVD format is dominating the high-definition market, the VP of Marketing for Toshiba's Digital A/V Group, Jodi Sally, stated: "With a majority market share in unit sales of next generation DVD players, consumers are speaking loud and clear, and they are adopting HD DVD as their HD movie format of choice. Because of the proven manufacturing efficiencies of the HD DVD format, Toshiba can bring this level of innovation in technology to a new generation of players with cutting-edge functionality at affordable prices."



Wow, they really drink their own koolaid don't they. Its almost comical. They probably wouldn't sell any more if they gave them away.
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Posted 07 August 2007 - 04:44 PM

lets see how much Toshibas loosing on each one of those players. bet they aren't making any profit.

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Posted 07 August 2007 - 04:54 PM

DVD & HD FORMAT STATS

TOTAL U.S. PLAYER SALES (5/4/07 - CEA): 126,586,654*
TOTAL CANADIAN PLAYER SALES (5/4/07): 12,658,665*
*Sales to dealers since 3/97. DVD/VCR combination players included, but not DVD-ROM drives & game systems.
TOTAL DVD TITLES (8/2/07 - DVD Release Report): 76,384*
*Net total of R1 DVD-Video discs released/announced. Discontinued & adult not included.
TOP 10 SELLING DISCS (7/29/07 - Nielsen/VideoScan):
1) Zødiac
2) The Number 23
3) Premonition
4) The Hills Have Eyes 2
5) Stargate SG-1: Season 10 6) Shooter
7) The Bourne Files
8) Weeds: Season 2
9) The Contract
10) The Last Mimzy

TOP 10 RENTAL DISCS (7/29/07 - Home Media Research):
1) The Number 23
2) Zødiac
3) Premonition
4) The Hills Have Eyes 2
5) The Contract 6) Shooter
7) Slow Burn
8) Black Snake Moan
9) Perfume
10) The Last Mimzy

TOTAL BLU-RAY DISC TITLES (7/31/07 - DVD Release Report): 278/77*
TOTAL HD-DVD TITLES (7/31/07 - DVD Release Report): 266/55*
*Net total of R1 discs released/announced. Discontinued & adult not included.
HIGH-DEF MARKET SHARE - BRD VS HD-DVD SOFTWARE SALES (7/29/07 - Nielsen/VideoScan):
Week Ending 7/22
Year to Date
Since Inception
Blu-ray Disc: 66
Blu-ray Disc: 67
Blu-ray Disc: 60 HD-DVD: 34
HD-DVD: 33
HD-DVD: 40

Movie titles only (videogame titles not included) - Includes HD-DVD/DVD Combo Format

NUMBER OF AFI TOP 100 FILMS ON DVD (7/9/07): 98 (2)*
( ) *Number of additional films announced or believed in development for DVD release.

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