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DirecTV secrets stolen!


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#1 OFFLINE   James_F

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Posted 02 January 2003 - 10:21 PM

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Damn, spend $25 million and have your own lawyers take you down. :nono:

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Posted 02 January 2003 - 10:24 PM

Well, that didn't take long, did it?

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Posted 02 January 2003 - 10:32 PM

More here...

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 12:53 AM

Talk about a setback for DirectTV... Hackers probably working like mad now thinking how to break P4. That one bit of espionage could cost DirectTV billions.

The poor copy shop will probably be sued into oblivion.

Hackers worldwide are rejoicing a new P4 revenue stream.

NDS probably has a new card waiting for DirectTV to use, laughing all the way to the bank...

I cannot believe they would let this go to a copy shop where anyone could see them. I wonder why the lawyers needed the plans?

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 01:08 AM

It was bound to happen. I'm sure Directv had hoped to at least get all the new cards fielded first before this...
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Posted 03 January 2003 - 08:50 AM

DirecTv decided before Christmas to delay shipping out the P4 cards for another reason because the hackers were catching on or they knew something else was up. Anything man made can and will be broken. Name something that is man made that has never been broken.

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 09:50 AM

Today's New York Times has an article about this issue.

http://www.nytimes.c...ogy/03PIRA.html

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It claims, in part that the lead anti-piracy lawyer for DirecTV said that the card can't be hacked even if you know everything about it.

Such a statement would seem to negate the charge against the thief...
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Posted 03 January 2003 - 10:49 AM

Name something that is man made that has never been broken.

I don't believe that the VCRS that is used by the c-band industry has been successfully hacked.

the lead anti-piracy lawyer for DirecTV said that the card can't be hacked even if you know everything about it.

The Titanic was unsinkable also. :rolleyes:
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Posted 03 January 2003 - 11:18 AM

While everything may eventually be hacked, this could make the difference between it being hacked before the card is turned on (in P4 mode) verses the card being hacked 6-18 months later. If they were able to turn off hackers for a few months it would kill a huge section of the hacker community.

If hacking were to be prevented for a year it would probably prevent major hacking in the future. They would have time to come up with a new card and be ready to release it when P4 was finally hacked. If they could keep releasing new cards ahead of the hackers instead of behind the hackers, the hacking industry would die off. It may not stop the true hackers, but all the ignorant masses that pay them $X/month to have a hacked system would no longer fund the operations... who is going to pay to have a card that no longer works?

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 03:58 PM

They should diable all receivers that haven't "phoned home" in a while. It is a requirement of Directv to have all receivers connected to a land-based phone line. Just enforce the policy.
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Posted 03 January 2003 - 04:00 PM

Wow! That's the quickest yet!
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Posted 03 January 2003 - 04:13 PM

Starchoice and DCII has not been hacked yet either have they?

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Jacob S
DirecTv decided before Christmas to delay shipping out the P4 cards for another reason because the hackers were catching on or they knew something else was up. Anything man made can and will be broken. Name something that is man made that has never been broken.


The Navajo Code Talkers code in WWII was never broken.

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Jacob S
Name something that is man made that has never been broken.


Digital Cable.

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Posted 03 January 2003 - 06:50 PM

Originally posted by karl_f
They should diable all receivers that haven't "phoned home" in a while. It is a requirement of Directv to have all receivers connected to a land-based phone line. Just enforce the policy.


They need to CHANGE the policy. They need to have the receivers phone in and obtain authentication from DirecTV BEFORE they are authorized to receive. Then set up a call every month to change encryption keys. Two way authentication is the only way you're going to stop piracy. Digital cable is miles ahead in that respect.

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Posted 06 January 2003 - 07:42 AM

It has to be a supply and demand thing as well, if nobody wants it then it wont be cracked. But if millions are into it then it will be sooner or later.

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Posted 06 January 2003 - 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Jacob S
Starchoice and DCII has not been hacked yet either have they?


This is one of the major reasons why Expressvu outsold SC in Canada, since PQ is generally better on SC. The number of Expressvu subs who pay the minimum to get all the programming is estimated to run into the hundred of thousands. Expressvu's main cable competitor in Quebec paid for a study that claimed that 19% of Expressvu units are paying zero or are repointed at Dish and paying zero.

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Posted 06 January 2003 - 09:59 AM

Originally posted by karl_f
They should diable all receivers that haven't "phoned home" in a while. It is a requirement of Directv to have all receivers connected to a land-based phone line. Just enforce the policy.


I know about a hundred RV'ers/Liveaboards that don't have access to a phone line (other than a cell) and dish is the only way they are going to get decent TV. In this day and age of cheap cell plans, I know several people now who are dropping their landline service, since they never use it and it costs more to make the calls they do with their cell.

The only real way to fight piracy is to give would be pirateers very little reason to do it in the first place. In other words, keep (or bring) pricing for programming down to where it is too much trouble to even think of pirating. As prices go up, so does pirating. Of course, there are those that just steal for the sake of stealing, and again, if the trouble they go through to get it free costs more than it would to pay for it legitimately... piracy will eventually stop.

My beef: ALL the non-premium channels have as many (if not more) commercials as the "free" networks, and WE are paying to get these damned channels! Getting their cake and eating it too? For this reason alone I can understand why someone would pirate just on principle...

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Posted 06 January 2003 - 12:40 PM

He don't kid yourself. DirecTV has a problem for 3 reasons. NFL Sunday Ticket, Porn Channels, and lots of PPV.

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Posted 06 January 2003 - 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Turbohawk


In this day and age of cheap cell plans, I know several people now who are dropping their landline service, since they never use it and it costs more to make the calls they do with their cell.


I don't care if people are cancelling their home phone in favor of cell phones. It is in the CONTRACT the subscribers agree to that their receivers will be connected to a land-based phone line. If that is too difficult for them, they should have digital cable. People avoiding provisions of their contract is not a good enough reason not to have receivers call in.

Without receivers phoning in from time to time to verify service and packages (I know RV'ers don't have that option), Directv is asking for people to steal service IMHO.
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