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HD Discusson: Cartoon Network (Channel 296)


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#21 OFFLINE   ktk0117

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:18 AM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.


Yep, if you've ever seen them (now removed by our wonderful Gov't. sensoring for PC) there are old Bugs Bunny cartoons that were VERY political propaganda types.

1. Bug Bunny fighting the Japanese, "Bugs Bunny vs. The Japs" (close to actual title)

2. Bugs Bunny fighting the Nazi's (I don't recall the name)

I have these in Divx from Ebay, I could not believe some of the content on the Japanese episode!

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#22 OFFLINE   RamaX

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:23 AM

No offense to those who wanted this channel in HD, but why cartoon network and not some other?


Just a little silly to me....


naaah, im definately digging that they did CN. Yeah im a fully grown old fart adult. But that doesnt mean i dont enjoy Futurama or Tom and Jerry occaisonally. And when i was just looking at it, it was hard to tell if it was stretch-o-vision. I recall the first time i saw that for myself was for a long time on TBS, which i mostly used to watch for reruns of NYPD blue. You could actually see an invisable line where there would sometimes be a distortion caused by the stretching. I must say these new channels the "stretching" is a HELLUVA lot more subtle. I havent seen that affect yet. Granted they arent all as good as Smithsonian or CNN (which i think looks awesome), but theyre still much better to my eye than old TBS was.

Maybe its a diff in MPEG2 VS MPEG4...???????? Im not sure, or if its broadcast side how they/if they upconvert to an HD signal something like NYPD blue, but that was my one example of really REALLY bad stretch-o-vision
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:41 AM

Is it closed captioned?


Yes. I just checked through the Slingbox, though I'm not a "captioning connoisseur" so I can't do much critiquing.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:59 AM

This is one of those stations where my thumb will remain poised over the "4:3" button on my Samsung's remote...ugly.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:15 AM

No offense taken here for sure! I watched the CN a while back with my son who was 7 at the time and I could not believe the stuff I saw on some of the shows. I wound up blocking that channel on all receivers because quite frankly, some of the stuff he watched was just terrible and more for adults rather than small kids.

So CN in HD? For me, no big deal!


Are you sure your son wasn't watching Adult Swim on Cartoon Network. It's a block of shows late at night (I think starting at 11pm ET) that has many M-rated and TV-14 rated shows.

Your better bet that just outright block a channel is to block shows by rating level on your DirecTV receiver. There's no reason Tom & Jerry can't be watched, but that stops the Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Frisky Dingo's from being viewed.

This is just a guess - maybe he was watching some run of the mill cartoon that was offensive.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:21 AM

Tiebmbr: Some of us have TVs that don't let us view HD signals in 4:3 unfortunately :(

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:26 AM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.


This discussion can take on a complete life of it's own.

I'm about as liberal about entertainment as they come...but I too find a lot of cartoons today aimed at "kids" to be filled with offensive content, and I'm not talking about the jokes which go over kids heads which would be humorous more to their parents (see "Sponge Bob") I think the humor content aims too much at the gross-out , let's see how far we can get to the edge brand..aka the Farrelly Brothers, which simply does not belong in shows which are devoured by children's minds, then are reconstituted on the playground.

Cartoon Network is watched very sparingly in my home. HD won't make any difference either way in that regard.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 09:56 AM

This is one of those stations where my thumb will remain poised over the "4:3" button on my Samsung's remote...ugly.


If it's "smart-stretch" or "panorama stretch", that's gonna look weird. I tried changing the picture size on TNTHD to 4:3 on my Sammy, and it freaked me out... even worse than the smart-stretch itself.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:30 AM

thay actually have to make cartoons in HD before it won't be stretched right?

Why? There is no earthly reason to stretch SD. Considering what D*s compression does to SD channels ("SD Lite"), even pillarboxed SD on mpeg4 is a massive improvement. But stretch it and you have crap again.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:30 AM

It is just me or the picture quality on CNHD is plain bad? I see three thin vertical darker bars on both sides of the image and the picture goes from very sharp to very fuzzy as the scene changes. I'd say it is worse than the SD version.
All the other channels look great so it is channel specific.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:36 AM

Not even in 5.1 (when I watched it this morning) just plain DD 2.0, like MGM HD:mad:

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:42 AM

I, for one, wanted this channel in HD. I watch anime on Adult Swim and much of the more recent stuff is in widescreen format and would benefit from HD. Can't wait to see more of it soon!
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:47 AM

It is just me or the picture quality on CNHD is plain bad? I see three thin vertical darker bars on both sides of the image and the picture goes from very sharp to very fuzzy as the scene changes. I'd say it is worse than the SD version.
All the other channels look great so it is channel specific.

Those thin bars are typical of crop & stretch, which cuts off part of the image then stretches the rest, making it lower rez than SD and uncorrectable in format.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:22 AM

This discussion can take on a complete life of it's own.

I'm about as liberal about entertainment as they come...but I too find a lot of cartoons today aimed at "kids" to be filled with offensive content, and I'm not talking about the jokes which go over kids heads which would be humorous more to their parents (see "Sponge Bob") I think the humor content aims too much at the gross-out , let's see how far we can get to the edge brand..aka the Farrelly Brothers, which simply does not belong in shows which are devoured by children's minds, then are reconstituted on the playground.

Cartoon Network is watched very sparingly in my home. HD won't make any difference either way in that regard.

:soapbox:
Now I'm off it.


Speaking of cartoons that go over kids' heads, I'd love it if the Cartoon Network would add shows like Rocky and Bullwinkle with Fractured Fairy Tells and Peabody's Improbable History. There was some great political humor in those that I did not get on the 1st time around and now appreciate.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:33 AM

Not even in 5.1 (when I watched it this morning) just plain DD 2.0, like MGM HD:mad:


Are you sure the program you were watching was produced in 5.1?
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:37 AM

Other than 16:9 aspect I really don't see why this network is in HD. Animation is just blocks of color. I don't see how most of their programming would take advantage of the increased resolution....


Most everyone seems to think that HD means fill a 16:9 screen with picture. HD means increased resolution not distored resolution. The networks and/or D* that decided that in order to broadcast in HD they much stretch SD content is doing their customers a disservice. Until everyone stops saying it is OK they will continue to stretch. Our TVs stretch 4:3 content so let the end user watching the program decide. This way those that like distorted images can continue to stretch 4:3 content in various ways and those of us that like the best picture possible can leave it in the aspect ratio of the content creator.

Looks like another HD channel I will be forced to watch on the SD equivalent. I would not count this channel as an HD channel offering or any of those that stretch the picture as they are broadcasting distorted images not HD in my book. D* will have to offer even more HD channels to make up for these. Oh wait, I guess that is what the HD Extra Pack is for which we will have to pay for later.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:52 AM

Right now Tom and Jerry is on and it looks like the Film was converted to Hi Def it looks really nice.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:01 PM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.

because they were written by adults (obviously). The WB guys like Friz Freleng always said them made the cartoons for themselves, to what they thought was funny. And funny they were ... and still are. Some of those guys were comic geniuses.

Bullwinkle and its related cartoons (Fractured Fairy Tales, etc.) are full of adult puns, not dirty puns, but just ones that kids would not get at all.
[edit] I see Tubaman-Z already beat me to this. I remember puns about things like the Rosetta Stone, which is not going to be understood by any kid under 10. [/edit]

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:26 PM

Courage, a show which I think was produced in an HD format is looking great.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:48 PM

Can't say that I am surprised that CN would be stretched, being it belongs to the Turner groups (TNT, TBS, CNN, TCM, Boomerang and CN), and given that TBS and TNT are in glorious Strech-O-Vision, why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different. For that reason, even though I like the content of TCM, I am in no hurry to see it go HD either until they changed their miserable policy of stretching their content.
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