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HD Discusson: Cartoon Network (Channel 296)


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#26 OFFLINE   EidolonGG

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:21 AM

Tiebmbr: Some of us have TVs that don't let us view HD signals in 4:3 unfortunately :(

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:26 AM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.


This discussion can take on a complete life of it's own.

I'm about as liberal about entertainment as they come...but I too find a lot of cartoons today aimed at "kids" to be filled with offensive content, and I'm not talking about the jokes which go over kids heads which would be humorous more to their parents (see "Sponge Bob") I think the humor content aims too much at the gross-out , let's see how far we can get to the edge brand..aka the Farrelly Brothers, which simply does not belong in shows which are devoured by children's minds, then are reconstituted on the playground.

Cartoon Network is watched very sparingly in my home. HD won't make any difference either way in that regard.

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#28 OFFLINE   pgfitzgerald

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 09:56 AM

This is one of those stations where my thumb will remain poised over the "4:3" button on my Samsung's remote...ugly.


If it's "smart-stretch" or "panorama stretch", that's gonna look weird. I tried changing the picture size on TNTHD to 4:3 on my Sammy, and it freaked me out... even worse than the smart-stretch itself.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:30 AM

thay actually have to make cartoons in HD before it won't be stretched right?

Why? There is no earthly reason to stretch SD. Considering what D*s compression does to SD channels ("SD Lite"), even pillarboxed SD on mpeg4 is a massive improvement. But stretch it and you have crap again.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:30 AM

It is just me or the picture quality on CNHD is plain bad? I see three thin vertical darker bars on both sides of the image and the picture goes from very sharp to very fuzzy as the scene changes. I'd say it is worse than the SD version.
All the other channels look great so it is channel specific.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:36 AM

Not even in 5.1 (when I watched it this morning) just plain DD 2.0, like MGM HD:mad:

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:42 AM

I, for one, wanted this channel in HD. I watch anime on Adult Swim and much of the more recent stuff is in widescreen format and would benefit from HD. Can't wait to see more of it soon!
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 10:47 AM

It is just me or the picture quality on CNHD is plain bad? I see three thin vertical darker bars on both sides of the image and the picture goes from very sharp to very fuzzy as the scene changes. I'd say it is worse than the SD version.
All the other channels look great so it is channel specific.

Those thin bars are typical of crop & stretch, which cuts off part of the image then stretches the rest, making it lower rez than SD and uncorrectable in format.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:22 AM

This discussion can take on a complete life of it's own.

I'm about as liberal about entertainment as they come...but I too find a lot of cartoons today aimed at "kids" to be filled with offensive content, and I'm not talking about the jokes which go over kids heads which would be humorous more to their parents (see "Sponge Bob") I think the humor content aims too much at the gross-out , let's see how far we can get to the edge brand..aka the Farrelly Brothers, which simply does not belong in shows which are devoured by children's minds, then are reconstituted on the playground.

Cartoon Network is watched very sparingly in my home. HD won't make any difference either way in that regard.

:soapbox:
Now I'm off it.


Speaking of cartoons that go over kids' heads, I'd love it if the Cartoon Network would add shows like Rocky and Bullwinkle with Fractured Fairy Tells and Peabody's Improbable History. There was some great political humor in those that I did not get on the 1st time around and now appreciate.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:33 AM

Not even in 5.1 (when I watched it this morning) just plain DD 2.0, like MGM HD:mad:


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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:37 AM

Other than 16:9 aspect I really don't see why this network is in HD. Animation is just blocks of color. I don't see how most of their programming would take advantage of the increased resolution....


Most everyone seems to think that HD means fill a 16:9 screen with picture. HD means increased resolution not distored resolution. The networks and/or D* that decided that in order to broadcast in HD they much stretch SD content is doing their customers a disservice. Until everyone stops saying it is OK they will continue to stretch. Our TVs stretch 4:3 content so let the end user watching the program decide. This way those that like distorted images can continue to stretch 4:3 content in various ways and those of us that like the best picture possible can leave it in the aspect ratio of the content creator.

Looks like another HD channel I will be forced to watch on the SD equivalent. I would not count this channel as an HD channel offering or any of those that stretch the picture as they are broadcasting distorted images not HD in my book. D* will have to offer even more HD channels to make up for these. Oh wait, I guess that is what the HD Extra Pack is for which we will have to pay for later.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 11:52 AM

Right now Tom and Jerry is on and it looks like the Film was converted to Hi Def it looks really nice.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:01 PM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.

because they were written by adults (obviously). The WB guys like Friz Freleng always said them made the cartoons for themselves, to what they thought was funny. And funny they were ... and still are. Some of those guys were comic geniuses.

Bullwinkle and its related cartoons (Fractured Fairy Tales, etc.) are full of adult puns, not dirty puns, but just ones that kids would not get at all.
[edit] I see Tubaman-Z already beat me to this. I remember puns about things like the Rosetta Stone, which is not going to be understood by any kid under 10. [/edit]

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:26 PM

Courage, a show which I think was produced in an HD format is looking great.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 12:48 PM

Can't say that I am surprised that CN would be stretched, being it belongs to the Turner groups (TNT, TBS, CNN, TCM, Boomerang and CN), and given that TBS and TNT are in glorious Strech-O-Vision, why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different. For that reason, even though I like the content of TCM, I am in no hurry to see it go HD either until they changed their miserable policy of stretching their content.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 01:14 PM

Most of the classic WB cartoons were produced when 4:3 was still the standard for major motion pictures. There's no good reason to stretch these cartoons.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 01:27 PM

I read from the Creator/Producer of The Venture Brothers, which airs on adult swim, that their upcoming season is being done in HD.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

So is there any programming in HD at all?

The second season of the Boondocks started last week, is in widescreen, and would look awesome in HD.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:40 PM

It really doesn't surprise me that CN is stretched. All of the Turner channels are stretched (except CNN).

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:41 PM

. . . why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different.


Ted ain't in charge anymore. Time Warner suits run his empire now. He may be too liberal for most liberals, but I don't remember him screwing with the shows so much when he was in charge. I believe all of the editing of the Looney Toons and Merrie Melodies was done by Time Warner, not Turner.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:43 PM

Can't say that I am surprised that CN would be stretched, being it belongs to the Turner groups (TNT, TBS, CNN, TCM, Boomerang and CN), and given that TBS and TNT are in glorious Strech-O-Vision, why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different. For that reason, even though I like the content of TCM, I am in no hurry to see it go HD either until they changed their miserable policy of stretching their content.


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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:44 PM

So is there any programming in HD at all?

The second season of the Boondocks started last week, is in widescreen, and would look awesome in HD.


Justice League, Superman/Batman Animated Series (90's versions) were filmed in 480p widescreen from what I read.

Most anime (Ghost In The Shell, etc.) and film (Tom & Jerry, Looney Toons) can be telecined to any resolution.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 03:14 PM

*sigh*

Another channel falls to the scourge of stretch-o-vision. I can't speak for the daytime shows, but I know several shows on Adult Swim weren't in any widescreen format (Futurama, Family Guy, Robot Chicken all come to mind). Who knows about the rest of it.

But the maroons who think HD = filled 16:9 screen will be happy, so that's the end of the argument. :(

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 03:58 PM

Saw some HD content this morning. Watching right now, if it's not HD it's zoomed and not stretched. Glad I didn't have this weird Pokemon crap when I was a kid though. Strange stuff. :lol:

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:02 PM

3 quick things:

A) I hate the bars on the side, so i always had my TV in stretch mode, so for me at least, stretch-o-vision is an IMPROVEMENT (that being said im picky and do want my HD to be real HD)

2) If you really dont like the CNHD, someone suggested putting his TV in 4:3....why wouldnt you just use the SD channel alternative..?

C)i would hope that some of the older really great cartoons would look better than, say some of the 70's cartoons. Tom and Jerry and old Bugs were definately made for adults first, and also were made to be played in movie theaters. So even tho i agree that resolution is is what drives HD, stretch-o-vision is more driven by aspect ratio than pure reoslution issues. And being these were designed for theaters im wondering/hoping that theyd look real nice with no stretch needed (i dont know if they made 2 versions or reedited and cropped alot of those since the 40s to "work right" on TVs
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