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HD Discusson: Cartoon Network (Channel 296)


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#41 OFFLINE   DarkAudit

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 01:14 PM

Most of the classic WB cartoons were produced when 4:3 was still the standard for major motion pictures. There's no good reason to stretch these cartoons.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 01:27 PM

I read from the Creator/Producer of The Venture Brothers, which airs on adult swim, that their upcoming season is being done in HD.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:15 PM

So is there any programming in HD at all?

The second season of the Boondocks started last week, is in widescreen, and would look awesome in HD.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:40 PM

It really doesn't surprise me that CN is stretched. All of the Turner channels are stretched (except CNN).

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:41 PM

. . . why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different.


Ted ain't in charge anymore. Time Warner suits run his empire now. He may be too liberal for most liberals, but I don't remember him screwing with the shows so much when he was in charge. I believe all of the editing of the Looney Toons and Merrie Melodies was done by Time Warner, not Turner.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:43 PM

Can't say that I am surprised that CN would be stretched, being it belongs to the Turner groups (TNT, TBS, CNN, TCM, Boomerang and CN), and given that TBS and TNT are in glorious Strech-O-Vision, why should I expect that idiots that run the company (ahem. Ted) to treat CN any different. For that reason, even though I like the content of TCM, I am in no hurry to see it go HD either until they changed their miserable policy of stretching their content.


Ted has nothing to do with it anymore. It's lawyers at AOLTimeWarner that run this now. Don't blame Ted.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:44 PM

So is there any programming in HD at all?

The second season of the Boondocks started last week, is in widescreen, and would look awesome in HD.


Justice League, Superman/Batman Animated Series (90's versions) were filmed in 480p widescreen from what I read.

Most anime (Ghost In The Shell, etc.) and film (Tom & Jerry, Looney Toons) can be telecined to any resolution.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 03:14 PM

*sigh*

Another channel falls to the scourge of stretch-o-vision. I can't speak for the daytime shows, but I know several shows on Adult Swim weren't in any widescreen format (Futurama, Family Guy, Robot Chicken all come to mind). Who knows about the rest of it.

But the maroons who think HD = filled 16:9 screen will be happy, so that's the end of the argument. :(

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 03:58 PM

Saw some HD content this morning. Watching right now, if it's not HD it's zoomed and not stretched. Glad I didn't have this weird Pokemon crap when I was a kid though. Strange stuff. :lol:

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:02 PM

3 quick things:

A) I hate the bars on the side, so i always had my TV in stretch mode, so for me at least, stretch-o-vision is an IMPROVEMENT (that being said im picky and do want my HD to be real HD)

2) If you really dont like the CNHD, someone suggested putting his TV in 4:3....why wouldnt you just use the SD channel alternative..?

C)i would hope that some of the older really great cartoons would look better than, say some of the 70's cartoons. Tom and Jerry and old Bugs were definately made for adults first, and also were made to be played in movie theaters. So even tho i agree that resolution is is what drives HD, stretch-o-vision is more driven by aspect ratio than pure reoslution issues. And being these were designed for theaters im wondering/hoping that theyd look real nice with no stretch needed (i dont know if they made 2 versions or reedited and cropped alot of those since the 40s to "work right" on TVs
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:16 PM

Our TVs stretch 4:3 content so let the end user watching the program decide. This way those that like distorted images can continue to stretch 4:3 content in various ways and those of us that like the best picture possible can leave it in the aspect ratio of the content creator.


I wish people would lay off of this argument. As has been stated time and again by a number of users of this forum, there are a good portion of people with TVs that don't stretch content that is prepopulated with pillar bars. However there are also many of us who have tvs that *will* unstretch content.

So instead of saying it should be done how you want it to because that works fo everyone, you should realize that it DOESNT work for everyone.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:47 PM

Even the classic WB cartoons were aimed at adults, although you must be familiar with old time radio programs and 1940s politics to appreciate a lot of the jokes today.

Cartoons have never been aimed solely at children.


It wasn't until fairly recently that I found out the references with Foghorn Leghorn. Going through history classes in high school and college, they didn't go into subjects like Senator Claghorn. Some are tough to understand in this day and age, Bugs in blackface?

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 05:54 PM

normally i am very anti stretch-o-vision, but with cartoons i am not. reason being, the issue with stretching is it distorts the aspect ratio, and seeing that cartoons are always distorted by the artist, it really isn't a big deal to get used to. the kids just end up enjoying a different looking blob.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 06:05 PM

I wish people would lay off of this argument. As has been stated time and again by a number of users of this forum, there are a good portion of people with TVs that don't stretch content that is prepopulated with pillar bars. However there are also many of us who have tvs that *will* unstretch content.

So instead of saying it should be done how you want it to because that works fo everyone, you should realize that it DOESNT work for everyone.


Can the data stream have a 4:3 flag and still be highdef? That's where the problem is. Our TVs see everything as 16:9 even when the content is showing piller boxes. If they were able to add that 4:3 flag in the stream everyone would be happy.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 06:46 PM

normally i am very anti stretch-o-vision, but with cartoons i am not. reason being, the issue with stretching is it distorts the aspect ratio, and seeing that cartoons are always distorted by the artist, it really isn't a big deal to get used to. the kids just end up enjoying a different looking blob.


I know what you mean. I did see that weird stretch on the ends today when scooby doo was on and it did look odd though.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 07:01 PM

I wish people would lay off of this argument. As has been stated time and again by a number of users of this forum, there are a good portion of people with TVs that don't stretch content that is prepopulated with pillar bars. However there are also many of us who have tvs that *will* unstretch content.

So instead of saying it should be done how you want it to because that works fo everyone, you should realize that it DOESNT work for everyone.


Most HD televisions can stretch. Very few can unstretch. Odd that you would claim you are tired of people defending an argument that not everyone can work with and put forth one that FEWER people can work with.

How about this.....OAR regardless. People who want to stretch...I don't care about them. Why force me to watch distorted crap because someone is ignorant about what they are watching?

There is my argument. I don't care about the stretchers. They are wrong. Period.
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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:02 PM

Cartoons in HD are few and far between. Viva Pinata, Samurai 7, and maybe a few 100% CG shows are in HD. Cartoons in widescreen, especially anime, is a lot more common. Samurai Jack, IGPX, Ghost in the Shell, Blood Plus, and .hack are examples of those. Wish they would just put some unobtrusive bars on the side instead of stretching the picture.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 08:38 PM

Ted ain't in charge anymore. Time Warner suits run his empire now. He may be too liberal for most liberals, but I don't remember him screwing with the shows so much when he was in charge.


Ted did colorize some of his black-and-white MGM film library in the 80's which caused quite a stir in Hollywood. :)

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 09:31 PM

I would rather they show SD material the same way SciFi does--in the correct aspect ratio, not stretched. Like many, my TV won't let me use zoom/aspect ratio controls on a 480p or 1080i signal. For me to unstretch this material, I've got to wade through settings for both my TV and receiver, which is a real pain.

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 09:34 PM

Can't tell if Boondocks is HD or stretched. Stretched I guess.




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