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HD Discusson: Versus / Golf (Channel 604)


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#41 OFFLINE   DCSholtis

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 10:05 AM

Just thought I would share that the Standford v. USC game looked excellent on Versus HD. It rivaled any other HD football game I have seen. Definitely not a Pac 10 fan, but was got caught up in this close game and what turned out to be a monumental upset. It sure made it even sweeter to watch it in fabulous HD quality!


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Posted 07 October 2007 - 05:53 PM

I thought it looked mediocre at best.


You may want to check your set up. I have yet to see a college football game look as good including OTA. Everyone I was watching the game with was equally impressed. In fact, one of my friends who has been holding of on moving away from his HR10, was calling D* today to get a HR20 because of the PQ that he saw was possible.

I was also watching the LSU-Florida game on CBS (OTA) and OSU-Purdue game on ABC (OTA). Neither was close to the PQ of the Standford-USC game on VS...... and I am a Big Ten fan.
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Posted 07 October 2007 - 07:24 PM

+1


I have to agree with Raider Dan. That was the best looking picture I have seen for a football game in HD. I could not believe how good the picture looked. I kept switching back to the LSU - FLA game for comparison and it wasn't even close.

I even enjoyed the USC coeds fake-crying at the end of the game. :)

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 04:52 AM

Nothing wrong with my setup. I've seen a lot better. Looked fine when the picture was without a lot of motion, not so good when there was motion. I only watched about 10 mins of the game though.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 10:07 AM

Nothing wrong with my setup. I've seen a lot better. Looked fine when the picture was without a lot of motion, not so good when there was motion. I only watched about 10 mins of the game though.


Like the other posters I couldn't disagree more. The USC-Stanford game had as solid an HD picture as I've seen for ANY football game in high definition. Bravo!

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 08:29 PM

any word if Versus will show next years Tour de France in HD?

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Posted 24 October 2007 - 04:34 AM

any word if Versus will show next years Tour de France in HD?



Possibly, if the entire event doesn't collapse under the weight of scandal.

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 06:44 PM

Anybody getting White flashes during Pens/Wild game tonight ....
I seem to have this trouble with some MPEG4 sports but not before this week on VS/Golf ....

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 07:21 PM

Anybody getting White flashes during Pens/Wild game tonight ....
I seem to have this trouble with some MPEG4 sports but not before this week on VS/Golf ....


Haven't noticed anything on my DLP, HR20, HDMI
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Posted 30 October 2007 - 07:55 PM

Anybody getting White flashes during Pens/Wild game tonight ....
I seem to have this trouble with some MPEG4 sports but not before this week on VS/Golf ....

I saw those too but thought those were camera flashes?

BTW, when do you think these 2 channels will have their own separate HD feeds?

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 09:15 AM

Here is my 0.02 on these two topics:

If you do a search in the AVS, possibly this forum, and the 'net in general, you will find lots of discussion about white flashing. I saw this first about 9 years ago when I first got my Philips 35" SD tube TV. I was freaking out, because I was convinced it was the TV. I eventually got over it, mainly by watching less hockey, where it seemed most prevalent. I also notice it during bigtime college basketball games where the court is a lighter color. This happens during nationally televised Georgia Tech home games, for example, though not all the time. And again, this is my experience, and yours may vary.

I've heard a number of theories, ranging from the way feeds are supplied to uplink providers like Comcast in the Philly area, flash photography, and "its all in your head". The two theories that seem most plausible to me:

- there is an action sports photography system where an installed light grid fires off at certain moments during a hockey or basketball game in order to provide a huge amount of light for photographers. Hmm, could this be the culprit?

- have you been to a hockey or basketball arena in the last ten years? Many of them have these coordinated display systems that literally ring the arena, usually between the first tier and second tier of seats. The advertising and booster messages that flash on these things is crazy bright, and these systems are coordinated so that everything flashes all at once. When it is going from a dark image to a bright image (or off to on), it is like they peeled the roof off at noon for a split second. On TV, the image usually is focusing on the rink or floor, and the "ring of fire" is just out of frame. I wonder if this reflection of this incessant flashing off of the ice or floor is also sometimes the culprit. Perhaps it causes the cameras an instantaneous burst of too much light, which saturates the image briefly, and it is this image that we see at home on our TVs.

Anyway, I thought I was going crazy until I researched this a bit. It definitely seems to happen most on hockey games, and I've only seen it on my big 35" tube or my 40" LCD HDTV, which are the biggest screens in the house and would show the most amount of white image (the rink). So, perhaps it could be a TV issue with larger screens where the amount of instantaneous bright image overloads the saturation electronics within the TV? Not sure I've got the jargon correct, but you get the idea.

TdF in HD:
As far as the TdF in HD on Versus/GCHD, I thought I asked this question (about cycling programs in general somewhere on the forum - should have been in this forum specifically, but I guess I posted elsewhere) previously. I think the issue is that most of the TdF coverage is from handheld cameras on motorbikes, supplemented with helicopter shots. The handheld motorbike shots are fed over RF to a receiving station; I think they actually are satellite shots, but not positive. At any rate, I think broadcasting HD under these circumstances is wishful thinking at this point. Frankly, only being able to see the Four Amigos (Phil, Paul, Bob, and Al) in HD, only to switch over to the SD moto coverage complete with signal breakups every mile or so would be too much of a tease for me. So, I'm guessing that, no, there will be no HD TdF coverage (of the race itself, anyway) any time soon. I hope I'm wrong, though. Oh, and the race goes on, regardless of the controversies.

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Posted 31 October 2007 - 12:07 PM

Here is my 0.02 on these two topics:

If you do a search in the AVS, possibly this forum, and the 'net in general, you will find lots of discussion about white flashing. I saw this first about 9 years ago when I first got my Philips 35" SD tube TV. I was freaking out, because I was convinced it was the TV. I eventually got over it, mainly by watching less hockey, where it seemed most prevalent. I also notice it during bigtime college basketball games where the court is a lighter color. This happens during nationally televised Georgia Tech home games, for example, though not all the time. And again, this is my experience, and yours may vary.

I've heard a number of theories, ranging from the way feeds are supplied to uplink providers like Comcast in the Philly area, flash photography, and "its all in your head". The two theories that seem most plausible to me:

- there is an action sports photography system where an installed light grid fires off at certain moments during a hockey or basketball game in order to provide a huge amount of light for photographers. Hmm, could this be the culprit?

- have you been to a hockey or basketball arena in the last ten years? Many of them have these coordinated display systems that literally ring the arena, usually between the first tier and second tier of seats. The advertising and booster messages that flash on these things is crazy bright, and these systems are coordinated so that everything flashes all at once. When it is going from a dark image to a bright image (or off to on), it is like they peeled the roof off at noon for a split second. On TV, the image usually is focusing on the rink or floor, and the "ring of fire" is just out of frame. I wonder if this reflection of this incessant flashing off of the ice or floor is also sometimes the culprit. Perhaps it causes the cameras an instantaneous burst of too much light, which saturates the image briefly, and it is this image that we see at home on our TVs.

Anyway, I thought I was going crazy until I researched this a bit. It definitely seems to happen most on hockey games, and I've only seen it on my big 35" tube or my 40" LCD HDTV, which are the biggest screens in the house and would show the most amount of white image (the rink). So, perhaps it could be a TV issue with larger screens where the amount of instantaneous bright image overloads the saturation electronics within the TV? Not sure I've got the jargon correct, but you get the idea.

Jerry


Ok so why then have I never seen this phenomenon with MPEG2 braodcasts only MPEG4 ones ( watched Drays and Marlins games on 96 -spotbeam MPEG4 and on 94 - CONUS EI MPEG2 BTW Color/picture better in 4 just flashes made it worse to watch) and EVEN NOT ALL MPEG4 broadcasts e.g., TBS playoff games had no Flashes at all nearly perfect picture ... thanks for trying but there has to be a way to reduce or eliminate this and part of me thinks it is either the software in the HR20-700 (or just mine) and/or the signal quality being sent from D*( flashes are absense of signal for a brief second?)

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Posted 04 December 2007 - 06:53 PM

I really cant stand Versus HD coverage of hockey games. They zoom/pan WAY too much, which makes watching games somewhat unpleasant. Versus should watch a few Comcast HD games on how it's supposed to be done.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 09:20 AM

Does anyone know if the Mercedes Championship [and the tournament next week] will be shown in HD? I notice that both are only on the Golf Channel, and not any network on the weekends. Does this mean that these will be widescreen SD??

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 11:02 AM

Does anyone know if the Mercedes Championship [and the tournament next week] will be shown in HD? I notice that both are only on the Golf Channel, and not any network on the weekends. Does this mean that these will be widescreen SD?? Thanks and cheers,John

I believe all of the men's tour is in HD now. The problem is GOLF and VERSUS are overlapping their live or prime shows and the golf will only be on the golf SD channel sat and sun. VersusHD usually has priority at night, especially on weekends. It is time they give each of these HD channels their own #. Next summer when the tour of france bike race is on we will be watching golf replays in HD. No good. At least golf from Hawaii should be in HD tonight and tomorrow on ch 604.

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Posted 03 January 2008 - 07:11 PM

However, because of the number cameras required to cover golf, you'll see a lot of WS SD.
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Posted 04 January 2008 - 01:15 PM

I believe all of the men's tour is in HD now. The problem is GOLF and VERSUS are overlapping their live or prime shows and the golf will only be on the golf SD channel sat and sun. VersusHD usually has priority at night, especially on weekends. It is time they give each of these HD channels their own #. Next summer when the tour of france bike race is on we will be watching golf replays in HD. No good. At least golf from Hawaii should be in HD tonight and tomorrow on ch 604.


I, too, would like to see them split the channels. With respect to not having enough programs, I'd rather them to take them off air or show infomercials or reruns when they have nothing to fill.

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 06:20 PM

I am hoping this channel brings as much HD as possible on the Tour this year.

Golf is IMO the biggest upgrade watching-wise when in HD over SD

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 07:35 PM

The Hurricanes vs. Predators game on currently looks great.Great PQ and no noticeable audio issues as of now. :)

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 08:33 PM

When do you guys think we'll see separate HD feeds of these 2 channels?

Thanks




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