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#151 OFFLINE   Kansas Zephyr

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:39 PM

Then stretch it with YOUR TV. Broadcasting a program in anything other than its original aspect ratio is a travesty. Good job Sci-Fi, Bravo!


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Please select that on your own TV.

I would much rather have all content in it's original aspect ratio (and resolution).

Then you can choose how you wish to see it with your remote.

Personally, I find "stretch-o-vision" highly annoying.

I do feel that they should use either black or 50% white (gray) for pillar boxes, though. I agree that the static ESPN pillars may cause burn-in for some plasma/CRT owners.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:43 PM

I agree - i wasn't saying the what makes it HD was the aspect ratio- what makes it HD is horizontal resolution.

Now, we don't know what the origirnal source is, but the native signal coming in is 1080i (unless my TV is getting it wrong). So what we're seeing is actually squeezed picture - so when you crop it you'll get the full signal. On SD channels it's the other way around - cropping a letterboxed 480i signal to full screen blows it up beyond its native scaling, and looks crappy.

I don't know why this channel seems to be unique when it comes to this - maybe they just haven't worked out the kinks yet.


I have my D* box scaling everything to 1080I. so it may be just the way you set the screen set in your options. My screen tells me it is set to 1080i, even if I am watching a 480I broadcast, on D*. My other option would be to import it as a 480I, 480P, or 1080I, and let the tv scale it up to 1080I, but, it seems to affect how I see the picture, and I am unable to zoom the picture properly.

I don't see a squeezed picture, but if I stretched it to fill the screen, then it would crop the sides. However, if I zoom it. the 16X9 picture fills out my screen without cropping or distorting the picture. This is a format option on the Sony TV, not on the D* box.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:44 PM

Broadcasting a program in anything other than its original aspect ratio is a travesty.


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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:44 PM

Then stretch it with YOUR TV. Broadcasting a program in anything other than its original aspect ratio is a travesty. Good job Sci-Fi, Bravo!

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:47 PM

Anyone know when Ghost Hunter's is on? .


Ghost Hunters? Is that a new show? What hannel is it on? Posted Image
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:01 PM

25% gray would be plenty. I just wish every channel would go OAR.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:06 PM

3 Thumbs down Skiffy:

1. My Panny won't zoom HD connected via HDMI or Component, so I'm stuck with window-box around all four sides.

2. That is the most annoying, biggest, most obnoxious bug.

oh, and 3. New Webisodes still won't atone for cancelling Farscape!

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:06 PM

I just don't get this. If they broadcast in pillars then everyone can get what they want, but if they stretch then there's no way for me to unstretch if I want pillars. The conclusion seems obvious.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:22 PM

The extra stuff around their BUG makes me NOT want to watch Ghost Hunters just to punish them for doing that :lol:

I wouldn't have watched it anyway, but now I'll make a real concerted effort to avoid it ;)
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:26 PM

3 Thumbs down Skiffy:

1. My Panny won't zoom HD connected via HDMI or Component, so I'm stuck with window-box around all four sides.

2. That is the most annoying, biggest, most obnoxious bug.

oh, and 3. New Webisodes still won't atone for cancelling Farscape!


Bummer! Time for a new tv, anyways, last years models are outdated already.

Sorry, I can't help about Farscape. I'm ticked that they even removed SG1, and then replaced it with Painkiller Jane and Flash Gordon. How are there ratings compared to SGI or Farscapr? They will probably replace BSG with another detective show, where the detective can mysteriously change his appearance. The title will probably be called "The Chameleon".

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:32 PM

Let me rephrase that.


Yea, right after posting a sci-fi logo came up and I saw the reasoning. Another reason for HD channels to stretch their SD material. I think I will send them a suggestion email.:lol:

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:33 PM

Bummer! Time for a new tv, anyways, last years models are outdated already.


Yeah. I'll give them a little while to actually broadcast their widescreen stuff in 16:9. If not, I guess I'll just have to look at a new Plasma :D
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:48 PM

1. My Panny won't zoom HD connected via HDMI or Component, so I'm stuck with window-box around all four sides.


Here's a workaround. Change the format of your HR20 to 480p Pillar Box, then your TV should be able to zoom it.

Crazy to have to do that, I know. They should just start showing HD content!!!!

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:50 PM

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Now, we don't know what the origirnal source is, but the native signal coming in is 1080i (unless my TV is getting it wrong). So what we're seeing is actually squeezed picture - so when you crop it you'll get the full signal. On SD channels it's the other way around - cropping a letterboxed 480i signal to full screen blows it up beyond its native scaling, and looks crappy..


Upon further reflection, they are probably just taking their 480I signal, and airing in on the 1080I bandwidth. So, the signal may be HD, but the picture is still SD, because they didn't improve the resolution.

Is Mpeg compression done by the station, or by D*? I always thought it would be D*.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:53 PM

Anyone know when Ghost Hunter's is on? LOL!

That is just annoying . . . I have seen the big transparent images off and on, but I hope it does not become common practice among channels or the NBC/Universal family.


Haha, I was thinking the same thing, that is WAY too big of a channel "bug"

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:57 PM

I just don't get this. If they broadcast in pillars then everyone can get what they want, but if they stretch then there's no way for me to unstretch if I want pillars. The conclusion seems obvious.


I 100% agree! I imagine the main issue is people who like stretched content are also one's who don't understand their television set enough to setup the stretchovision on it, so they want to impose their taste on the rest of us.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:04 PM

It does appear the the source of the SD upconvert is at the head end back @ SciFi.com. Maybe SciFi is just waiting for the flux capacitor to show up so that they can finally turn on real TV. At least DIRECTV has done their part and now we can all scream at those guys from the spaced out channel. ;) :) :D.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:09 PM

Beastmaster is in letterbox, which would seem to indicate it's an HD show--strange they aren't showing it in HD. (At least they're not showing it in stretch-o-vision. TNT/History Channel/TBS, are you paying attention?)

BTW, could they make their on-screen logo (with the Ghost Hunters promo) any more conspicuous?


It's not that I'm ungrateful; I wanted SciFi in HD very badly but so far it's letterbox as well as pillar box. I think that I will keep the SD channel around for a while. :nono2:
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:10 PM

Ghost Hunters? Is that a new show? What hannel is it on? Posted Image


A new episode is on right now... it is supposedly an old military base in San Francisco... looks interesting!

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:57 PM

I don't know how anyone would want letterbox instead of widescreen. If it is a wider aspect than 16x9 the bars at the top and bottom are fine, but to have it boxed in by 4 sides is silly.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:10 PM

Upon further reflection, they are probably just taking their 480I signal, and airing in on the 1080I bandwidth. So, the signal may be HD, but the picture is still SD, because they didn't improve the resolution.

Is Mpeg compression done by the station, or by D*? I always thought it would be D*.


I think you're right - otherwise the 4:3 commercials would be pillarboxed inside the already letterboxed window. But on the other hand, there is still some sort of upcoversion going on somewhere - probably by D* before they send it out. We could be getting full screen at full rez, just that part of that picture consists of the borders.

Still, when I zoom in, it does look like the real thing - if I zoom in on the SD channel - even if my box is converting to 10801, it just doesn't look as good. That tells me that on the HD channel, the information is in there somewhere.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:14 PM

I don't know how anyone would want letterbox instead of widescreen. If it is a wider aspect than 16x9 the bars at the top and bottom are fine, but to have it boxed in by 4 sides is silly.


I propose the term "window boxed" for 16:9 shows with black bars on the top, bottom, and sides.

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:15 PM

Definitely don't want stretch-o-vision on this channel or any other, but am glad to see this channel in hi-def finally :)

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:20 PM

Here's a workaround. Change the format of your HR20 to 480p Pillar Box, then your TV should be able to zoom it.

Crazy to have to do that, I know. They should just start showing HD content!!!!


Duh, I can still Zoom on the TV. It's only the TV's stretch option that is disabled via HDMI. So I can switch between Full and Zoom, hopefully without cropping.

Like most, I'm cool with unstretched 4:3 on HD. Hopefully 16:9 for their widescreen stuff is coming soon!

I'm a happy camper! (And now that Ghost whatever is on, the bug is back to normal size.)

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 08:21 PM

What's with all this debate? If it's not in HD I'm not even going to watch it on the HD channel, because I record it on DVR it would just be a waste of space.




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