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Stretch or Don't Stretch


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Poll: What should "HD" stations do with 4:3 content? (544 member(s) have cast votes)

What should "HD" stations do with 4:3 content?

  1. Stretch it sideways. I hate black bars. (53 votes [9.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.74%

  2. Zoom it and crop the top and bottom. (16 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

  3. Leave it be. I'll do the adjusting myself. (475 votes [87.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 87.32%

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#1 OFFLINE   gully_foyle

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 12:06 AM

The A&E HD stations stretch all 4:3 content, distorting the image. Other HD stations zoom 4:3 content, losing the top and bottom but not distorting. Still others add black bars or border art to the sides to preserve the original 4:3 image on a 16:9 TV.

I think most HD viewers dislike cropping and distortion, but what do I know, let's poll!

Edit: pgfitzgerald has a thread going discussing his off-site page with all the channel-by-channel details

NOTE: In the above poll, "Leave it be" should be understood to be the same as pillarboxing (like ESPN). The 4:3 picture is complete and undistorted.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 08:24 AM

I stretch my SD stations and just got used to it. Voted to stretch it. My TV will not let me stretch HD programs that have black bars on the sides so I can't adjust it myself.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 08:26 AM

I rather adjust it myself

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#4 OFFLINE   Steve

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 08:41 AM

If the networks employed some sort of "smart stretch" in HD, I could live with that. Or a "smart crop/zoom", like HDNet did with "Hogan's Heroes". Otherwise, I'd rather record the 4:3 SD and let my display handle the "smart" stretching. /steve
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 08:44 AM

Nothing more frustrating that a picture that has been stretched or zoomed and I can't do anything to get a better image. Leave it alone and let me decide how to handle it.
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#6 OFFLINE   gully_foyle

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 10:15 AM

If your TV can't stretch content, you might consider that a sign that few want it that way. If it's that important to you, shop better next time. But don't make the other 90% watch intentionally mangled television.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 10:29 AM

Stretch me baby

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 10:53 AM

Wish I could vote twice--- leave it alone!
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 11:06 AM

If your TV can't stretch content, you might consider that a sign that few want it that way. If it's that important to you, shop better next time. But don't make the other 90% watch intentionally mangled television.


Your really funny. Your right to your opinion as much as I am right to my opinion.

My TV will stretch a SD program to fill the screen. What I'd like to ask is do other HD TV's stretch an HD picture that is being shown in 4:3 to fill the screen. Just wondering because my Sharp aquos 37" will not do that. It is what it is if it is on an HD channel for my TV.

As far as shopping smarter, that is not a nice remark. I put a lot of time in shopping for my TV and enjoy it a lot. I bet you did a lot of research on the TV you watch and enjoy yours too. What you buy one day is obsolete in no time these days.
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#10 OFFLINE   gully_foyle

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 12:21 PM

Your really funny. Your right to your opinion as much as I am right to my opinion.


My opinion is that stretching 4:3 to 16:9 is distorting the picture. Ooops, that's the definition of "distortion", so I guess it isn't an opinion.

What would be an opinion is what looks better. And I'm prepared to accept that a small minority likes the distorted image better. But I think that you should distort it in the privacy of your own home. It's unnatural. :)
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 12:25 PM

Stretch-O-Vision is hideous.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 02:03 PM

kcmurphy88, thanks for the poll. Not sure how this info is getting back to the networks. Since you started this excellent poll, can you get a list of the channels that are stretching in your first post and we'll all contribute contact info so we can start emailing or calling these networks to complain directly as well.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 02:08 PM

kcmurphy88, thanks for the poll. Not sure how this info is getting back to the networks. Since you started this excellent poll, can you get a list of the channels that are stretching in your first post and we'll all contribute contact info so we can start emailing or calling these networks to complain directly as well.


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Posted 30 September 2007 - 02:19 PM

Thanks,

Here is the link to the actual page with all the info.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 03:45 PM

Happily my Sony SXRD has a mode that will compress stretch-o-vision back to 4:3.

I voted don't send me a modified picture. I have the toys to make it how I want it!
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 03:50 PM

If I wanted to watch a program stretched I'd go to the SD channel. Don't make the "premium" channel no better than the "regular" channel.
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Posted 30 September 2007 - 03:50 PM

Maybe I like it stretched because my eyes are not as good as they used to be.

Lets hope we get more true HD programs to watch and not a bunch of old SD shows dumped on our HD TV's. There is nothing like the real thing.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 03:55 PM

Wish I could vote twice--- leave it alone!


I would just vote 3 times:lol:

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 04:38 PM

I have turned several of my friends (who have no electronic knowledge and do not care to learn) on to DirecTV and HDTV. They mostly switched because their current TV broke and they hated Comcast. Everyone of them hates the black bars. They will watch the SD channel over the HD channel with black bars. I came to the conclusion that the normal TV viewer likes stretch over the black bars. Most people who take the time to learn and spend time on forums does not like stretch. I think stretch will eventually win.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 05:26 PM

Newsmag, which specific model and how do you go back to 4:3. I never saw a way on my 50 inch sxrd set. If I could, I would.




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