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How are you receiving your local HDTV broadcasts?


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#26 OFFLINE   jdspencer

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 06:05 PM

I have a Channel Master 3016 antenna. The analog channels are virtually unwatchable, yet the digital versions come in fine. Well, I need a high gain antenna for at least on of my channels. The digital channels I get are 4, 7, 8 and 42. These are associated with analog channels 34, 12, 40 and 46. So you see, not all channels are in the UHF spectrum.
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Posted 16 May 2004 - 08:16 PM

My HR10-250 is due to arrive tomorrow at the office. Homeowners' association rules prohibit exterior antennas (what STUPID SOB came up with that one?????? Easy answer====> community was founded in early 1990s when cable was all the rage and I was still in college. Stupid MFs!!!!!) So I have an order in for a Zenith Silver Sensor based on reviews read here and elsewhere. Since I have to go with an indoor antenna, it seems that there is no better option short of having more to drink so that anything will look good. Anyone got a better solution? The HR10-250 will be on the bottom level of a 3-storey townhouse, where all 3 storeys are above the ground.

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Posted 16 May 2004 - 08:47 PM

Also, the 4221 and 4228 are excellent antennas unless you are in an area that has a lot of multipath problems. Then, you definitely want to go with a highly directional yagi antenna. Get much better results that way over the bowties.


Mark, I hate to disagree with you :( , but we have plenty of multipath issues up here in northern Colorado and directional yagis are far worse than the 4228. I've run the gamut of antennas and can tell you that an 80" long yagi UHF antenna can't even come close to the 4228. It is also very receiver dependent. LG-based tuners handle multipath better than my TV or HDTiVo...

Also, for some of us we have to deal with headend overload on our antenna preamp from channel 25 in Longmont that is right in line-of-sight to Republic Plaza.

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 05:22 AM

My HR10-250 is due to arrive tomorrow at the office. Homeowners' association rules prohibit exterior antennas (what STUPID SOB came up with that one?????? Easy answer====> community was founded in early 1990s when cable was all the rage and I was still in college. Stupid MFs!!!!!) So I have an order in for a Zenith Silver Sensor based on reviews read here and elsewhere. Since I have to go with an indoor antenna, it seems that there is no better option short of having more to drink so that anything will look good. Anyone got a better solution? The HR10-250 will be on the bottom level of a 3-storey townhouse, where all 3 storeys are above the ground.


As posted in many threads, in this and other forums, home owners associations can no longer legally stop you from putting an OTA antenna on your roof. See attached link. The question for you is: How picky is your association? Will they hold this against you and look for other things to hassle you about?http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html !pride

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 05:50 AM

Interesting. Thanks for that link, Eagles. I knew about the rule that a dish less than one meter in diameter couldn't be prohibited, but didn't know about the one about antennas. I'll have to keep that in mind if the Silver Sensor doesn't work out (it's supposed to arrive tomorrow).

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 10:02 AM

Anybody have any experience/thoughts on this RCA antenna?

I ordered a Silver Sensor that's on its way from Amazon.com, but what sounds appealing about this one is its separate variable gains for UHF and VHF. My local FOX (in Austin) is low power and VHF. Is it worth trying this antenna to see if it picks up the UHFs and VHFs using the variable gains?

Target's got this model for $29, which is comparable to what I paid for the Silver Sensor.

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 10:12 AM

My HR10-250 and Silver Sensor arrived here at the office this morning!!!! Posted Image Now if I could just get the chance to skip out of work and go home.......

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Posted 17 May 2004 - 10:22 AM

Haven't hooked up an antenna yet..... Only using the HD channels E* sends me so far (although I do get CBS-HD which eases the pain somewhat)

New York is 42 miles away to the North Northeast. Philly is 62 miles away to the west southwest. A rotor is definitely in my future..... Anyone know what New York and Philly stations are bradcasting at full power? Antennaweb.org doesn't seem to think that any of them can reach me right now........
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Posted 17 May 2004 - 01:09 PM

Haven't hooked up an antenna yet..... Only using the HD channels E* sends me so far (although I do get CBS-HD which eases the pain somewhat)

New York is 42 miles away to the North Northeast. Philly is 62 miles away to the west southwest. A rotor is definitely in my future..... Anyone know what New York and Philly stations are bradcasting at full power? Antennaweb.org doesn't seem to think that any of them can reach me right now........


Bob,
Antennaweb is very conservative with it's reception info. I live in Southern Maryland (About 50 miles from DC, 65 miles from Baltimore, and 45 miles from Salisbury. According to Antennaweb, I should only be able to receive one digital station (Salisbury) using the largest antenna with a pre-amp. For me the most accurate reception info came from (titantv.com). You will have to register to access the reception info. Its free and worth it. It gives great show grid guides. Your OTA situation is very similar to mine. I posted some info a while back on another thread which you may find usefull. Go to the "BROADCAST FORUM" on this website and look for the thread "CHANNELMASTER 4221 RIGHT FOR ME", and look for my post in that thread. I would highly recommend the link for antenna purchase. As a side note, the other night I was able to lock onto some Philly channels. This was an anomoly, probably due to some unusual atmopspheric conditions, but the point bieng, I'm 160 miles south of Philly, and anomoly or not these stations had to be at full power for me to get the lock. As I am at work, I don't know what Philly stations were scanned but when I get home I can post later which ones I locked onto. Good Luck! !pride

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 07:56 AM

Wow, thanks for the great info. I was worrying that I would go to all the expense to get a mega antenna up on the roof and then have my 921 do a shrug when it tried to lock onto channels that were only transmitting at partial power. I remember reading somewhere that Philly was actually one of the best markets for HD as they were mostly at full power. Add in the fact that NYC was in disarray when the WTC attack wiped out the transmission towers for many of the networks, and I thought Philly was my best hope for OTA HD.

I'll try that titantv.com link and I'll let you know how I make out. I'm gunning for June or July to finally complete the roof antenna upgrade. I am 42 miles from NYC (with some terrain issues.... a slight hill between me and the line of sight to NY - I wouldn't call it a mountain, but it does slope up around 30 ft. over the next 1000 yds towards NYC. Philly actually is just the opposite, I've got a stellar line of sight to Philly with only distance being an issue as it is 63 miles away from me (the ground slopes down about 15 feet giving me a good line of sight over the riverfront homes across the street from me).

Does anyone have any recommendations for an antenna setup that will give me the strongest possible signal? I know I will need a rotor as I need to bounce between New York and Philly....
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 08:16 AM

Does anyone have any recommendations for an antenna setup that will give me the strongest possible signal? I know I will need a rotor as I need to bounce between New York and Philly....


I had the same worries last year as we are 60 miles away from Albuquerque. I went with the Channel Master 4228 (see photo in this thread) as it had the highest gain of all of them and although it looks like a BBQ grill, at least its flat and not 7 feet long like some of the others. My signals strengths are outstanding. 80-95% on my 6000 and 95-105% on the 921.

You will absolutely need a high quality Pre-amp. Don't get one of the cheapies (Rat-shack), expect to pay around $45+ for the amp alone and another $50-60 for the antenna.

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 08:44 AM

Are there any national chains that see these preamps or do I have to find an independent retailer? Trying to figure out the best way to proceed here....
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 08:51 AM

I have used these guys twice:

http://www.warrenelectronics.com/

Shipped the same day I called. Good prices as well.

Are there any national chains that see these preamps or do I have to find an independent retailer? Trying to figure out the best way to proceed here....



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Posted 18 May 2004 - 08:58 AM

Bob,

Make sure before you purchase an antenna and amp you look at all the stations you want to pull in. Some (not many though) are transmitting their digital signal on a VHF channel. If this is the case and you want that channel, your going to have to get an antenna and pre-amp that gets (and amplifies) both UHF and VHF.

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 08:59 AM

All of the Philly stations are UHF based..... I'm not sure about the New York stations, but I think they are as well......
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Posted 18 May 2004 - 10:17 AM

Most DTV is broadcast in the UHF spectrum, but not all.


Correct, Atlanta Digital Channel 10 (NBC Analog 11) is in the VHF range so need a combo antenna to get it (where I am at least, in Marietta)

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Posted 18 May 2004 - 12:56 PM

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Does anyone have any recommendations for an antenna setup that will give me the strongest possible signal? I know I will need a rotor as I need to bounce between New York and Philly....[/QUOTE]



Bob,
As I said in the post I referred you to in the "BROADCAST FORUM" check out this site http://www.tvantenna...umfeatures.html
Ask for Ben. He even went as far as to send me an excel spreadsheet of the stations I should be able to receive based on my location and his calculations.
It was pretty accurate. This guy is "INTO" ota reception. I purchased my pre-amp, antenna and eaves mount from him. I bought the rotor, masting and guy wires from Lowes. Based on his recommendations, I went with the "YAGI"
style over the "BOWTIE". I went with the Winegard HD-9095P with an AP-4800 pre-amp and a Channel Master 9521A remote control rotor. The yagi I purchased is 8' long, but it's light and doesn't really look that bad. I'll try to attach some pictures. Also, if your going to mount to your eaves, get a heavy duty mount, and remember for the distance your looking to receive from, "the higher the better".

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 01:21 PM

Just curious how everyone is receiving their local OTA digital channels. After doing some research, I decided to go ahead and install a rotator on my antenna because a couple of my local digitals are in different directions. Does anyone else here require a rotator? Just curious. With the antenna pictured below, I get 80 to 90% signal strengths on my locals through the 8VSB module on my Dish 6000 receiver.

Feel free to post a picture of your antenna.


We have a roof antenna we had installed in Jan 02 just for the local digitals. We live directly east of Washington DC and southeast of Baltimore, MD, so we had to have the rotor to get both cities (Imagine a triangle). CBS from DC is awesome and seldom breaks up. Fox is reliable 75% of the time, but NBC is simply horrible, breaking up about 60% of the time. I've posted on other boards and no one else seems to have trouble with them, so I guess it's not that their broadcasting at low signal or anything.

We're using the Sony HD100 and I've read that it has a problem tuning in OTA channels. I'd love to unload it somewhere and get the HDTivo, but [believe it or not] my spouse would have a fit if I spent the money on another A/V toy right now. Haha! And you think it's only men who have that problem!

Baltimore channels all come in pretty well, but FOX and NBC "stretch" their pictures to make them widescreen and the picture looks too washed out to me. Also, doing that makes it appear like it's not even HD (when something is actually in HD).

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 01:29 PM

{All of the Philly stations are UHF based..... I'm not sure about the New York stations, but I think they are as well......}As of this time all the Philadelphia stations are UHF.
I receive my OTA HD using a RS double bow-tie with a Motorola signal booster, I am about 25 miles west of the antenna farm in Roxborough, I also pick up the DT stations from Allentown if I reorient my antenna. :)

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Posted 24 June 2004 - 08:35 PM

I'm 30 to 35 miles from the local towers. I put a CM 4221 in the attic (composition shingles on the roof and wood walls) and receive all the locals (and one from 60 miles away) in the low to mid-nineties on my HD-Tivo.

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In the orange county area south of Los Angeles, even though the main area of transmitters is 45 miles away, I use a silver sensor mounted in my attic. The reception is great I get all the channels with no problems.

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Posted 08 July 2004 - 10:24 PM

I am using a plain old terk 44 clip on atenna on my sat dish. I get all 3 of my digital locals in the Beaumont area. I also get the analog versions as well. I recently repeaked the atenna and now get solid strength on all of my channels with a 90 or above. NO MORE FADE OUTS. My 921 is running great now. I can set recordings and watch with no crazy jitteryness or freezes . I love this antenna.

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Digitals, what digitals!! I had to get a homeowners assoc. approval to install dish on the igloo!! LOL

Our locals are saying they will go digital in May.


Got the same problem here, but installed a small antenna and amp in the attic. I am about 50 miles from Orlando Florida and get all of their digitals great. They are on the air when I loose my DirecTV signals, due toi rain fade.




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