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#1 ·
Hi All, anything new on LCC?
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#226 ·
I doubt they have people in the US doing the coding, so they probably weren't affected by layoffs. That would explain why there's such a long turnaround time between Directv acknowledging a problem and it getting fixed.
 
#232 ·
OK, these are probably stupid questions, but I need to get a few things clear in my mind. I have 2 Hr24-200s. Now I live in the Salt Lake Viewing area so I could get an LCC due to the dispute with NBC. If I did, would an LCC work with that setup? If not, If I could find an AM21 are those still workable? If I did get an LLC, I probably wouldn't cancel my locals. I assume that this an option, correct? Right now, my wife is watching her favorite show on nbc.com but would much rather watch it via the DVR.
According to my friend its unknown if an LCC will work with an HR24 since their systems will not allow them to order a LCC for customers without a Genie. Their guidance specifically states it will only work with the H44, HR44 and HR54. The ordering systems prevents an agent from ordering an LCC for an eligible customer unless one of those three models are active on the account.

At present only customers who are in a market where there is a dispute with a local affiliate can call in to order an LCC. If there is no dispute going on the ordering systems will have the option to order an LCC blocked for the agent.

I would love to get my hand on an LCC personally just to experiment with my HR24 and retire my AM21 on my HR44 but my market has no disputes unfortunately and none are on eBay yet :(
 
#233 ·
Directv has apparently let the CE testers know that they will be testing some H2/HR2x software soon. Since they are still updating the software for them there's at least a chance they might add drivers to support the LCC. Those never got the new GUI though so it could be just a few bug fixes and not anything new.
 
#234 ·
...and our family hopes they never get the new GUI, or remove Music & Photos, or the ability to play Pandora with TV channel on in the background unlike the Genie, etc....
 
#238 ·
Status Update

Someone on the ATT Directv forum who is listed as an emplyee posted this on April 12th
So sad this roll out is taking so long. Dish has had their LCC version out for 3 years now. It even looks the same (same shape and size). We are at the One year mark since word of this started showing up on sites.

QUOTE:
"The LCC has been expanded to include more markets, and markets where DirecTv does not offer locals (these are far and few between). To find out if your market is covered call in @ 1.800.531.5000 to speak with an agent."
*I am an AT&T employee, and the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent AT&T's position, strategies or opinions"
UnQUOTE:
 
#239 ·
Status Update

Someone on the ATT Directv forum who is listed as an emplyee posted this on April 12th
So sad this roll out is taking so long. Dish has had their LCC version out for 3 years now. It even looks the same (same shape and size). We are at the One year mark since word of this started showing up on sites.

QUOTE:
"The LCC has been expanded to include more markets, and markets where DirecTv does not offer locals (these are far and few between). To find out if your market is covered call in @ 1.800.531.5000 to speak with an agent."
*I am an AT&T employee, and the postings on this site are my own and don't necessarily represent AT&T's position, strategies or opinions"
UnQUOTE:
This post would be even better if the additional markets were listed in it.
 
#240 ·
And the post would also be more accurate to say something like ....

"The new LCC's database has been expanded to include more markets, markets where DirecTv does not offer locals (which are few and far between), and many additional channels to existing markets as well....
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#241 ·
At least we know they are expanding to more markets and not just canceling the whole thing. So that is the good news.

Its been over a air since this started so some are starting to wonder if they canceled the project.
Dish had theirs out several years ago, they did it in 5 months of testing (same hard ware design and chip).
 
#242 ·
True;

But then again as I posted on another thread, it's not just the LCC, as I really can't recall any new hardware released by DIRECTV ever since AT&T took all product testing in-house to groups of employees under obviously strict NDAs.

This area is really at a snail's pace nowadays.

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#246 ·
@slice1900 - When did they start the process? Was it a year ago?

If that's the case and there's another year to go, and they wait to make the LCC available when everyone can have it, that would really suck.
 
#250 ·
What would be in it for them is that they can offer discounts to customers who drop locals and use the LCC. The more customers who do that, the better Directv's negotiating leverage will be with local station owner groups since fewer customers would be impacted by a blackout threat.
 
#251 ·
Though I would imagine the leverage the stations feel they can bank on is the fact that DIRECTV's OTA solutions have never really caught-on in the past.

AM21s, H/HR20 and HD TiVo integrated ones, ....

So will just a $10 discount be all that greater of an incentive for subscribers to really flock to the LCC OTA adapter to give DIRECTV substantial bargaining power in future local channel carriage negotiations?

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#253 ·
Via chat this afternoon I hopefully ordered a LCC. I have an order number on the website for a "receiver deca" and it also says seasonal sports condition. I am in Socal so we will see if I actually get the LCC. The rep on the chat said it would ship next day and it would be at no cost. Time will tell.
 
#258 ·
True Directv's OTA solutions didn't catch on in the past, but they didn't promote them AND they didn't save the customer any money. I'm paying Mediacom just under $15/month for locals, and while Directv is a lot bigger and can get better rates, they are probably over $10 in most locales.

If it costs Directv that much, giving customers $10 off (or better yet breaking out the cost of locals and just removing them from your bill, so your savings increase over time and your yearly price increases are less since locals are a big part of those increases) is a no brainer because that would help drive adoption of the LCC and the more people adopted it the better leverage they'd have with the Sinclairs and Nexstars of the world.

The only other alternative is continuing to add several dollars a year to people's bills for locals ALONE, and driving more and more people to cut the cord when they reach their "my bill is too damn high" breaking point.

An (updated ATSC 3.0 capable) LCC will also be necessary if/when we see locals in 4K, since Directv will never deliver those via satellite.
 
#266 · (Edited)
The carry one, carry all rule for satellite only requires them to offer carriage of the primary channels of all the full power stations in the market. Lesser stations and non-commercial stations elect must carry status where they're carried for free, others like ones affiliated with a major network elect retransmission consent where they get paid.

A dispute happens when you're missing one of those retransmission consent stations because they couldn't come to terms on a carriage deal. You can search for the station's call sign on the FCC public files to see which ones opted for must carry and which ones opted for retransmission consent, once you find the station you can see it in the "Must-Carry or Retransmission Consent" folder under "More Public Inspection Files". (In some cases even with retransmission consent lack of carriage isn't a dispute, like those stations Sinclair sold off to stay under the ownership cap, but moved the network affiliation and syndicated programming to a subchannel of the station they kept, while the new owners of the licenses "voluntarily" opted to not seek carriage deals or must carry status to remove themselves as competition)

Carriage of subchannels, Class A and Low Power stations is strictly optional, they only carry those if they are the local affiliate of a major network. Although for PBS member stations they have a seperate deal where secondary and tertiary stations can opt to have one of their subchannels carried instead of their HD feed. There's also the Alaska and Hawaii exception where because of years of neglecting those states both satellite providers have to offer carriage to their subchannels too, something that is easier to do in those states since they don't have to deal with multiple markets needing to be covered by the same spotbeam, like they need to do in the lower 48 states.
 
#268 ·
Directv added 26 new OTA markets this week, including 8 of the 12 where they don't offer satellite locals. They have now hit 136 out of 211 markets, or just under 2/3.

If they follow their past pattern they'll do another couple weeks, then wait over a month before the next burst which may take care of them all.
 
#269 ·
been away too long from this forum, and just now learning of this LCC. At my prior address I had an AM21, but my current house pat few years - never bothered - it sits in basement and I have no antenna. I do have an HR44 and genie clients now (and the old HR24...)

with apologies to questions perhaps already answered, as I have looked here:
https://cdn.directv.com/content/dam/dtv/directv_support/DTV_Local_Connector_Guide_2018.pdfq1)

and here:
Local Channel Connector

and have not found the answer.

Q1: can you use another higher gain antenna instead of the one included with the LCC package?
Q2: how do you go about requesting one and how much does it cost?
 
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