0x1214 - Native Video Display Option Removed

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by lyradd, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Aug 2, 2019 #201 of 209
    B_H

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    Yes I've tried the Native ON with those resolutions checked and didn't notice much difference in Native ON and OFF. I'll probably go with OFF (for the added speed) and just trying to determine which should be checked: 1080i, 1080p or both? Just wanting to make sure that I have the proper one(s) checked for comparison purposes.
     
  2. Aug 2, 2019 #202 of 209
    Soccernut

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    This argument reminds of when they decided to colorize black and white films, to me you can't improve on what's already perfect, Citizen Kane is not going to look better in color.
     
  3. bmcleod

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    Glad I found this thread. I’d seen my PQ degrade and in troubleshooting saw that my C61K was sending everything to one of my 4K TV’s in 720p, regardless of channel. I looked and saw all of the resolutions were checked, but also noticed ‘Native Mode’ had disappeared (even though the help button still tells you how to select it). The only channel that wasn’t 720p was 104, which properly came across as 2160p.

    I tried removing 1080p to see if making a change would fix it, but no, I had to remove 720p which then forced everything to 1080i, but the picture did improve for NBC I’d been testing with. Re-checking the 720p box made no difference, everything came across in 1080i, even ABC, FOX, & FX (thanks James for the list). I confirmed via OTA that my local ABC and FOX channels do broadcast in 720p, but via the C61K it’s all 1080i. This is in contrast to the poster who said his system was changing resolution like it used to when Native Mode worked.

    What really got interesting was testing ABC, Ellen Degeneres was on and it didn’t look good at all, I switched to OTA and it got better but still wasn’t great. I googled to see that her show is ‘taped’ in 1080i, but broadcast locally on ABC in 720p, then the C61 rescales back 1080i, and finally my TV takes in to 2160p ... talk about a stepped on signal. At least now most of my channels are in their native 1080i format, but I’d sure like Native Mode back; what a lot of trouble to put us through fixing this, and think how many don’t even know how messed up things are? (and someone here thinks this is the right way to do this?)

    ... oh yeah, I had to repeat all this for my other C61K / 4K TV.
     
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  4. JerryMeeker

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    I did not have the same problems that you reported—everything is sent by my HR54 as 1080i. For programming that is already 1080i, I don’t see any significant PQ degradation. I watch very few 720p programs from Fox or ABC, so TBH, I haven’t seen much difference in PQ.
     
  5. bmcleod

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    Right, some here have reported their systems stuck in 720p and some in 1080i, if you’re the latter then you might not notice much. Possibly as you point out, HR54’s remain in 1080i and C61K’s in 720p. I too watch little ABC and Fox (now Orville), though some FX, so now being stuck in 1080i is the better place to be. The point is I had to fix it, most wont.
     
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  6. BigRedFan

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    Same thing happened to my receivers when the new software hit them--- all the HD channels were coming through in 720p, no 1080i anywhere.

    I also had to go to the resolutions screen and take out 720p. Once I did that then the HD channels all came in 1080i (except the 4K ones which were 2160p).

    As you said, imagine the thousands of DTV subscribers who are now watching all their HD channels in 720p as a result of native being taken out and not being aware of the downgraded signal they now have as a result. Obviously, no warning or explanation from AT&T about the new software and the native implications.

    They must be fans of Marie Antoniette-- "let them eat cake !"
     
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  7. bmcleod

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    Called DTV Tech Support today, got someone who was confident in his statements, but not always correct. After listening patiently to him tell me how it works, he (mostly) patiently listened to me say that no, the resolution does not follow the broadcast like it used to. He then went to a test system and confirmed Native Mode was missing, and said he wasn’t aware of that, also that he’d pass it onto engineering. He also (finally) understood and admitted that without Native Mode, the box couldn’t present the proper resolution to the TV. Maybe if enough of us call in they’ll put it back.
     
  8. JerryMeeker

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    Nice job. I hope others are calling and expressing disappointment as well.
     
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  9. nuke

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    Yeah, this is disappointing. Mine was stuck in 720p and looked like poo. It wouldn't reset, so did the red-button reset and at least I can change it to 1080i now. But it still looks like poo.

    Something else changed. My set is still setup properly and calibrated with instruments, yet, it looks soft and low contrast now on the HR44.

    More and more reasons to join the cord cutters.
     
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