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$10 Charge for HD Access

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Msguy, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    I bet you're wrong. ;)

    As long as SD-only programming packages are available, they will keep this "token" fee to help the SD subscribers to believe that they aren't footing the HD bill without getting the benefits. In the grand scheme of things, it costs quite a bit more to provide the available HD content than it does the regular package SD content. The satellite requirement is more than double.
  2. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    Hey, it's up to you guys to find the deal that's best for you. For me, that's DIRECTV with double the channels of my local cable company for $20 less. Verizon occasionally comes by with a decent deal but I don't like their service people.
  3. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    I don't mind paying the HD access charge since it is costing them a bunch of money to provide it (four additional sats). What I do mind is when they want to charge me an additional charge to get programming like NFL-ST, PPV's and other programming in HD, I'm already paying the HD 'surcharge' I shouldn't have to pay it again.

    For NFL-SuperFan, come up with a package that has the player tracker, RedZone and internet access for an extra fee since that is extra content, but give me the HD feed for no additional charge.
  4. Drew2k

    Drew2k New Member

    Aug 16, 2006
    Yup. With my cable company (Cablevison), it's $6.75/month for the box, so it's just a tad cheaper than DIRECTV ... if you only have one TV, that is. I have 5 DVRs, so my "free" HD with cable would cost me $33.75 a month, or $23 more than DIRECTV.
  5. Grentz

    Grentz New Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    Make sure to look at the full package when comparing. As stated, cable might not charge an "HD Access" fee, but they many times charge TONS more for their boxes.
  6. redram38

    redram38 Icon

    Dec 6, 2005
    Millington Tn
    Of the 8 Receivers I have from Directv I payed a total of around 350.00. I got 3 of the HD DVR's free paid 99.00 for the 4th, 99.00 for the HD box and 99.00 for the one of the SD DVR's. The other I got free and the third one was 49.00 at Circuit city (Tivo). I own 2 of the SD DVR's the rest are lease. Now I know a new customer would probl not get the free stuff I got for being with them for so long, but I had to build this up over time. Now I only pay 35.00 a mth for the 8 boxes. If I were with cable and stayed with them 12 years as I have with DTV: 1. I would still get nothing free and 2. I would still be paying the huge lease fees for as long as I was a customer. What I paid DTV for the receivers would be about 2mths for receiver DVR, HD and outlet fees with Comcast. The girl at Comcast told me they had one customer that just left that had 14 DVR's in his house. He could buy a small country for what he pays for lease fees alone a year, then again he could probl afford to :)
  7. RACJ2

    RACJ2 Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    If you really want to know the pricing, go to the Comcast website. You should be able to build a package similar to what you have and do an actual comparison.

    With 2 DVR's and similar programming, TWC was costing me more. Mainly because of their HD DVR charges. They also had an "HD Extra" package that they did charge for and when I had Comcast it was the same. One last thing you have to consider is their taxes and fees may be much higher then D*, they were for me.
  8. CCarncross

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    I think some of you don't realize that a huge percentage of the US is still without HDTV's. Sales are huge, but a lot of those sales are people like in here that are buying their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 10th HDTV for their houses. Until the % of households with HDTV's reaches say 67%, it doesnt make sense to consider HDTV the "norm". When that happens, the add-on fee will go away.

    For the guys complaining about the NFLST, how much has the price increased over the years? Has it been slight steady increases or did they sock you with big increases? If the increases have been reasonably small, then just throwing in HD all of sudden would be great for customers, but would be terrible for the bottom line.
  9. oldfantom

    oldfantom Icon

    Mar 13, 2006
    As someone who sold cars for a while, I can tell you that everyone makes their money somewhere. I'd charge you less for car, but give you less for the trade.

    I always look at any offer where a company is going to give me something with a grain of salt. Cable is not going to give you something for free without making the cost up someplace unless they can't move their product in some other fashion.
  10. dtrell

    dtrell Hall Of Fame

    Dec 27, 2007

    dude, how much money do you make and how big of a house do you own? sheesh
  11. VHS or Beta

    VHS or Beta AllStar

    Feb 22, 2008
    A price reduction? Ha. They'll drop the $10 HD charge when they raise the base rate by $20.
  12. mreposter

    mreposter Hall Of Fame

    Jul 29, 2006
    Directv typically updates pricing and packages in March, so if something were to change, it would be in the spring. This also fits conveniently with the launch of the next satellite, so it's likely we'll see lots of channel additions early next year followed by some sort of price increases.

    Will Directv roll HD into the standard packages (with higher overall package prices) and ditch the separate HD fee? Personally, I doubt it for 2010, but maybe 2011. They could then offer a SD-only value pack for the last of the hold-outs.

    There's been a great deal of discussion comparing Directv's HD to the various cable offerings. The one thing that drives me bonkers about most cable/fiber offerings is that the SD and HD channels are not combined. When I want to watch TNT I turn on one channel no matter what receiver I'm using. But with cable, there's one channel for SD and one for HD. For instance, TNT on my local Time Warner is channel 31 for SD and 756 for HD. Now that's easy to remember!
  13. bgartz

    bgartz Legend

    Jun 23, 2006
    This is one of the biggest ++'s for me with D*. My family does not have to think about the HD. It is just there on the channel number they are used to..
  14. Wisegoat

    Wisegoat Icon

    Aug 16, 2006
    We have been talking about some of these same things over at http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=160740.

    Basically, cable gets their $10, just like DirecTV. Cable gets it in the rental fees, DirecTV just charges you up front. In the end, just like bookies, they all get their money.
  15. WestDC

    WestDC Well-Known Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Isn't that why it's called a Business?????
  16. YKW06

    YKW06 Legend

    Feb 2, 2006
    But D* wants not to keep the redundancy going forever but to begin eliminating SD programming. It's simply a matter of HD being the company's future and SD its past.

    To do that, they really have to begin making HD an attractive -- or, at minimum, a more attractive -- option to SD households. A pricing structure where the burden for the redundancy falls on homes that have already moved forward gives exactly the wrong signal to non-HD customers.

    If D* could, I'm quite sure they'd shut off the SD signals entirely. With the difference in encryption schemes, doing so would probably free up more than half the company's bandwidth, what with the end of duplication as well as the enormous savings provided by more modern encoding on channels that remain at 480i. They can't do that until they get 80-90% of homes switched to HD. And they can't do that until a) all new or moved installs are HD installs (already being rolled out) and b) the currently-installed base sees some benefit from doing so.

    Which the HD Access Fee precisely doesn't do.

    I think we'll see it go away soon. Granted, "soon" in this case means "within a year or so". But a cost that keeps legacy customers on legacy equipment is not one that makes sense over anything but the shortest of short terms, and it has to fall.
  17. raott

    raott Hall Of Fame

    Nov 23, 2005
    My point was, the entire cost needs to be considered when comparing provider's pricing. That includes any upfront costs and any first year discounts.
  18. Hoxxx

    Hoxxx Cool Member/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

    Jun 19, 2004
    It's like Taxes. Once they are in place they never leave. If it does go away the cost won't be any lower due to higher programing fees.
    Same thing with the charge for the HD-Extra pack. if that goes away they will just replace it with a package that costs the same and say it is included.
    they have molded us into accepting these fees and know we won't do anything about it. at least for now cause most people don't have enough choices to leave.
  19. DogLover

    DogLover Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    Are you sure about this? I thought they were still installing SD equipment.
  20. MIKE0616

    MIKE0616 Godfather

    Dec 13, 2006
    OK, let's take the Insight vs. D* a bit further:

    For 4 HDTV's, D* is $35 / month cheaper than Insight. Over the life of a 24 month contract, that amounts to $840 to be applied to D* hardware. If I buy 1 DVR and 3 HD receivers at list price, no specials, would run a total of $496 (199+ 3*99). That is a difference of $344 over the life of the hardware lease (assuming that I will use MRV in lieu of using 4 DVRs as Insight has no such animal as a HD receiver, you must rent a DVR or its SD.) If I can spend $396 to save $344, in my book that is pretty decent.

    The same thing holds true across the board, no matter the count of receivers or DVRs.

    I know, the up-front fee sucks and the 24 month tie-in sucks as well, but its still a better deal from strictly a financial view. Then pile on all the channels that D* has that Insight may or may not get in the next 2 years and there is less of a choice.

    Only way I can see cable being a real option is if you have FIOS available and that really depends on where you are. U-verse isn't ready for prime-time from what I have seen of it, E* is always an option, as is OTA, but Insight, not in this area, limited offerings and shoddy, old equipment makes them a non-contender unless you are willing to settle for SD (which looks like viewing through a screen door on a HD set) and channels which you can receive without a STB.

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