1000.2 with DPP WA Triple LNBF

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    Robert Adams

    Robert Adams New Member

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    With my SuperBuddy, inserted at the DISH, I can't get a verified signal on 110. The Superbuddy LNBF 2 gets no signal at all. Yet on Superbuddy LNBF 1 I get 110 with a great, 71, signal. Of course, it won't verify. Also, Superbuddy LNBF 1 gets a nice 119, verified, signal. By the way, Superbuddy LNBF 3 gets a fine verify on 129.

    When I boot up my 722K vip, menu 611 will not acquire a signal for 110. I acquire and lock in 119 and 129 just fine at about a 70, and 50, signal. Check Dish shows, 119 & 129 OK, but no 110. When the 722 gets booted up, I get ALL my channels, even though I should not get my SD locals (they are supposed to be only on 110 LNBF 1). I put aluminum foil over the 110 LNBF (left side from behind) and I still get all my channels. Cover the 119 LNBF (right side) I don't get 119 or 110 channels. I know I shouldn't complain, but I'm baffled. Even more baffled how the 119 LNBF delivers both the 110 and SD 119 channels.

    Last year I got verified signals from all LNBF's, acquired and locked them on my 611. This has happened on both my 222K and 722K.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    it should point to 129W if you stay behind a reflector
     
  3. Robert Adams

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    Now that's interesting! When I stand behind the reflector and cover an LNBF with a piece of aluminum foil here's it what channels I lose: Left-no channels lost; Center-HD locals and all other HD channels (ex. 200, 208); Right-SD locals and all other SD channels (ex. 200, 208). Superbuddy: LNB 1 locks and verifies 119, LNB2 finds nothing, LNB 3 locks and verifies 129.
     
  4. scooper

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    From behind the dish and left to right, you should get 129,119,then 110.

    I would suggest raising the LNB a bit , then try again.

    What location (zip code) are you located in ?
    From there, we can get the correct numbers from www.dishpointer.com

    You haven't had any trees grow in the way ?
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    You don't need to play with the dish - just make it right !
     
  6. Robert Adams

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    I'm at 34241. The 1000.2 guide says 38 and 138. I've tried 39, 40, 37 and 36. Superbuddy gets the best signals at 38. No trees. I'm getting left to right, from behind: Left-nothing, middle-129, right-119/110. Putting the foil alternately over each LNB proves it.
     
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Perhaps you have malfunctioning LNBF ?

    Put foil over two 110/129 eyelets, get max on all tpns from 119W, then add one by one 110 and 129W.
     
  8. James Long

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    Separate the thoughts of orbital position and channels you receive. The channels may not be on the orbital position you believe they are on.
    Go to the Check Switch menu on the 722 and see if it shows all three satellites as good. Run check switch and see if they remain good (do not save the results if your check switch results lose an orbital position). Assuming the 722 is showing all three orbital positions, go to the 722k and look at Check Switch. If all three orbitals are not showing run check switch and see if it finds 110.

    If this does not restore the three orbitals on the 722k please tell us more about your setup. A 1000.2 connected to one receiver or are both receivers active at the same time (different ports on the 1000.2)? Are you using the switch built in to your LNBF or a separate switch?
     
  9. Robert Adams

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    "Put foil over two 110/129 eyelets, get max on all tpns from 119W, then add one by one 110 and 129W. " I did that. It came out the same. See my spreadsheet about the different trials of covering eyelets.

    Check switch shows 119 and 129 as OK, before and after the check switch run test. Check switch tests do not show 110 at all.

    When pointing dish on 611 menu, if I choose Satellite 110, I can't acquire/lock onto 110. I get "129 wrong satellite".

    1000.2 is connected to one 722K receiver using a triplexer so I can view two TV's. Replaced the receiver and the triplexer with no change. Only connected to one port on the LNBF (second from left).
     

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  10. NYDutch

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    If you're at Myakka River State Park, the western arc settings I use there are:

    Elevation: 38.7
    Skew: 139.2
    Azimuth (Mag): 243.7

    I use port 1 at the far left for aiming, and dial in on 119 before tweaking the other two if needed. When I had a 211K and only connected one cable, I also used port 1 for the feed to the receiver, although it doesn't really matter, any of the 3 outputs should work.
     
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    I've used 38, 39 and 40. I've used 138 & 139. I start with Superbuddy LNB 1 which locks and verifies 119.
     
  12. scooper

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    Put your aluminum foil over the 2 outside LNBs, try aiming again.
    After you maximize your weakest CONUS transponder (non-spotbeam) on 119, then take the foil off the other 2, and redo your check switch. You should have all 3 slots.

    Also, when aiming - you set the skew, THEN NEVER MOVE THE SKEW SETTING AGAIN (until you move locations a significant distance away).
     
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    Are you sure your tripod is absolutely level?
     
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    Lack of 110 signal may mean your dish is about 9 degrees too far west oriented, receiving 110 on the 119 lnb, and 119 on the 129 lnb - a common happenstance.

    Remember the dish is a reflector so signals coming from the left hit the right lnb and signals coming from the right hit the left lnb when observed from behind the dish.
     
  15. n0qcu

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    Thats what you would think but the OP says his Superbuddy is verifying LNB 1 as 119 and LNB 3 as 129 which would rule out being off by 9 degrees.
     
  16. P Smith

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    We shouldn't be fixed on the device!

    What is IRD discovering that is the MATTER.
     
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    That probably means LNB 2 is aimed at "124" (assuming the Superbuddy is numbering the LNBs in order). DBS LNBs are not precision aim devices. One can be off center and still get a usable signal.
     
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    I don't have a SuperBuddy, but is it identifying the LNB position or the port number. Port 1 is 119, but that's the center LNB. 110 is on the left from the rear, and 129 on the right, with 110 on port 2 and 129 on port 3. Dish Western Arc LNB.jpg
     
  19. Robert Adams

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    scooper wins the prize!!!!! I covered the outer 2 lenses with foil. Then I got a good verified signal on 119. (119 is LNB 3 on my Superbuddy, 110 is LNB 1, 129 is LNB 2. They all verified.) Then I took off the right lens foil then the left. I ran check switch and I have 6 OK's!!! I had to up my elevation to 41 even though the tables said I should be 38.6. On my Point Dish (611) menu, I can acquire and lock all three satellites!! Thanks everyone!!
     
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  20. James Long

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    Thanks for the picture. I thought the "unswitched" outputs were out of order but it has been a while since I have looked at the LNBs.

    (Historically 119 was DISH's first orbital position. The old twin LNBs had #1 119, #2 110. It makes sense that #3 would be 129.)
     
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