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105 with legacy?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by xnone591, Aug 20, 2004.

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  1. xnone591

    xnone591 Cool Member

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    I have the superdish 105, with dp34 ,4900 receiver. Can these legacy receivers be used with the fss lnbs and Dishpro adapter?
    I can't pick up 105 for anything, was wondering if maybe the equipment is incompatible with the fss lnb.
    thanks
     
  2. maddawg

    maddawg AllStar

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    You should be able to receive a signal with your dishpro adapter on your 4900.
     
  3. TonyM

    TonyM Banned User

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    The Legacy receivers (the 4 digit models), require the Dishpro adapter.

    Also....your receiver can support it right? (when you go in the system install screen, there is an option for 105 &/or 121)
     
  4. xnone591

    xnone591 Cool Member

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    Yes , the option is there for dish pointing 105 and 121, just seems nearly impossible to get that 105 signal. Elevation ,azimuth and skew settings are perfect, and I've spent a good 3 hours out in the Florida sun trying to get signal. I'm going to move the dish (my neighbors roof MIGHT be affecting 105 and not 110-119) and reinstall to make SURE it's perfectly level and plumb
    thanks
     
  5. larrystotler

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    Dude, if you don't have a DP Adapter for the 4900 you are SOL. Andm in florida the 105 should be higher than the other 2, so unless the dish is REALLY clode to that house on just the right angle, you'll be OK. A 4900 WILL NOT work directly with a DP34 switch or ANY DP equipment without the adapter(unless you hava a DP+ switch, which you do not). Good luck.
     
  6. xnone591

    xnone591 Cool Member

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    I HAVE the dishpro adapter coming from the DP34 on the 4900. 110 and 119 are working fine with very good signal.
     
  7. larrystotler

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    I noticed that after I posted, but I wanted to make sure. The only other thing I could suggest would be to run the 105 straight into the DP adapter to the receiver after clearing your switch matrix. Unplug your cable, run a switch, unplug from power for 30 secs, plug in, run switch, then plug the 105 in and see what you get. Or, in the check switch screen, there is a place where you have to check the SD105....have you tried that?
     
  8. xnone591

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    On the check switch screen, there is only one option:
    to check or uncheck the box with "Super Dish/129"
    Looking at the 'help' screen says; "Select "Super Dish" if you are using a
    non-DishPro switch and are connected to 105,121 and/or 129 satellite(s)

    Just hooked up my friends 721, disconnected the DishPro adapter ...
    105 loud and clear. Whats up with this?
     
  9. SimpleSimon

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    A toughie. Larry has already covered most of it.

    Have you tried a 105-only setup just for testing purposes?

    Also, which order are the birds going to the switch? It should be 119, 110, 105 on input ports 1,2, 3, respectively.
     
  10. xnone591

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    I've tried 105 right into the adapter, then receiver, no go.
    I have the inputs like you say above. I've tried everything except changing the curvature of the dish by beating it with a hammer. :mad: I have a 3900 in the bedroom I'm going to try tomorrow. Maybe it's a fluke on that 4900.
    thanks for the suggestions :)
     
  11. MaintMan

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    I forget what the options are on the setup screen, but I once did an install, and I think it was a 4900 that required the full install to be checked. This does 50 tests thought the DP adapter. Most legacy receivers with DP adapter use the 6 test check on the setup screen. If it is the 50 test, be prepared to wait about 1 hour for it to finish. On a legacy receiver with super dish, you must also check one of the other 3 boxes as well as the supre dish option for test to be successful
     
  12. xnone591

    xnone591 Cool Member

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    What other 3 boxes?
     
  13. larrystotler

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    He's refering to the switch screen on the 2800 style boxes. The 3900 and 4900 have the newer 301 style screens. Unless the box does not have the newest s/w... Other than that, I am at a loss......
     
  14. James Long

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    Dumb question: You have a real Superdish and it wasn't professionally installed by an installer that made sure it worked with your receiver?

    It's good that it worked with your friend's 721 ... which if I read correctly was connected to the DP34 without the legacy adapter. And it is good that you are getting 119 and 110 ... that shows power is being passed and the DP34 is somewhat working powered by the legacy adapter.

    If you can borrow the 721 again (or another modern receiver) connect it to the legacy adapter not directly to the switch. See if you can get 105 that way.

    JL
     
  15. xnone591

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the adapter shouldn't be needed with the 721.
    I do get 105 with the DP34 directly into the 721, without moving the dish,
    but when I use the adapter to the 4900 ,with or without the DP34 , no signal from 105.
    I got the Superdish free from a friend who wanted the 121 and ordered 105
     
  16. compubit

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    If I recall correctly, 105 may not have a good signal around the perimeter of the US (Florida is around the perimeter - just like coastal Texas...) - hence Dish moving several markets from 105 to 121.

    Just a thought, until Dish gets the new sat at 105, you may need a larger dish to get 105...
     
  17. James Long

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    You are right, but the 721 also works with legacy equipment. My thought was to use it to test to see if the "via legacy adapter" would work on a unit that can tune and use 105.

    105 is a wierd bird with its 500 MHz divided into 24 transponders instead of 32. It may be that your receiver isn't looking at the right frequencies to discover that it can see 105 ... but if 105 is on your system setup screen it should understand that it (the receiver) needs to check those wierd offset frequencies as well as those offsets used on all other birds.

    The item left in my mind is that perhaps the legacy adapter isn't putting out enough power to drive the FSS LNB. DP provides more power. Signal levels should be looked at on 110 and 119 with your reciever and with the 721 direct to the switch. And if you have an extra cable, try connecting the borrowed 721 to port 1 of the DP34 and your receiver via legacy adapter to port 2. That may let you see 105 (if it is a power issue).

    BTW: Nice friend.

    JL
     
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