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1080p VOD question

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by FastNOC, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. FastNOC

    FastNOC Godfather

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    I wish there was a way to fix this. it's extremely annoying. I had 'I am Legend' at 1080p when it first hit, and it failed the check, now I get NO 1080p options.

    I don't get it. my TV is about as generic as you can get. An LG 52inch lcd
     
  2. DirectFeed

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    I have not seen a 1080 offering on my 722 for a while. I have never run the test, don't intend to use it either, but where did it go?
     
  3. Bill R

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    Almost everyday since 1080p movies have been offered I see one in my channel 501 listings. Checking the EPG this morning "Iron Man (Video On Demand, 1080p)" is the first one listed.

    I always suggest moving the update time to something earlier than the default 3 AM. That works for me.
     
  4. Bill R

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    I'm not so sure its Mountain time. It seems to be 1 AM in the your local time zone.

    And you are correct that if a download gets interrupted it gets deleted. In order for it to get interrupted two timers (at the same time) have to fire or the receiver has to go through its nightly update (the default is 3 AM local time but that can be changed).

    Just a sidenote: IPTV downloads (DishONLINE) that do get interrupted by the nightly update and reboot DO resume after the update.
     
  5. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Incorrect.
    There is NO resume for the type IPTV downloads - It's ONE way communication, the download initiated by Dish host with NO acknowledge from DVR [client].
     
  6. Bill R

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    Are you and I talking about the same thing? I am talking about the DishONLINE IPTV downloads (DISH Theater, TV Entertainment and all the rest). The channel 501 movies are not IPTV downloads.

    I usually start downloads of DishONLINE movies just before I go to bed (and about 30 minutes before the nightly update). The downloads always restart about being interrupted by the update.
     
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I'm talking about OP question - 1080p VOD, it's different kind of VOD; I think your post is confusing and off-topic.
     
  8. Bill R

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    I was just trying to provide additional information on (semi) VOD options.

    I think that your calling (ch 501) VOD movies IPTV downloads is confusing. Why do you consider them IPTV downloads? They are done via satellite.
     
  9. dishguy77

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    In my humble opinion this seems to be more painful than it's actually worth. At $6.99 a movie and one a week it is too restricting. Add in the pain of TVs failing to test good and download issues and it's a downright shame.

    Maybe in the next 5 years E* will take a leap of faith and give the HD DVRs wifi access and let the downloads be handled by wireless IP. it would also finally get rid of programming access fees too! Kudos to E* for actually getting the content out there. Now that it is here it can only get better. For now, however, A Blu-Ray player and netflix subscription, for me, remain the better investment.
     
  10. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    If you'll swing to that original thread you'll find why.

    Anyway, if we will keep discussion close to 1080p movies then the thread will be more helpful for other ppl.
     
  11. Bill R

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    I re-read the entire thread and I still don't understand where IPTV comes into play when we are talking about 1080p VOD movies. Could you please explain, I am very confused.
     
  12. James Long

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    Absolutely incorrect. IPTV is DISHOnline ... items selected and requested by the receiver via the internet. It is most certainly a two way conversation.
    Then do not use the term IPTV. It is false and confusing. VOD has a term, it is called VOD. FVOD is also acceptable (I assume that stands for "forced VOD"). But "IPTV"? Nowhere close.

    I'd also challenge your assertions that the FVOD offerings cannot be resumed, that they are receive all at once or don't receive at all. I believe you are misreading the logs you have hacked. While FVODs are a constant stream that is read only by the receiver resumption is simply picking up the parts missed during a prior download attempt.
    If you don't misuse terms such as "IPTV" it will be even more helpful.

    Back on the topic of 1080p VOD, "Iron Man" appeared on my receiver this morning. It was not in the EPG yesterday. My 622 was on until the scheduled reboot at 4:05a ET / 2:05am MT this morning. (I have my reboot set late because I like to watch and record late night TV.)
     
  13. P Smith

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    As usual, you always coming to chase me ...
    OK. Lets go thru again, now with you ( how many times it should be done in one thread ?):
    Better if you stop jumping on me as a person, and provide factual basis of your 'suggestions'.

    Also, EPG itself ( if you know what I'm talking about ) never carry info about quasi-501 channel; the info in a GUIDE generating from a list of FVOD movies located on disk.
     
  14. puckwithahalo

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    None of the VoD content is transferred by the internet connection. It is all through the satellites. Only Dish Online offerings are transmitted via the internet.
     
  15. P Smith

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    Oh, not again.

    You better read that mentioned thread and using DVB-S card tune to particular transponder and do some parsing of that mux.

    You know, not everything written in those scripts. Real life full of surprises.
    Are you never heard about using sats for downlink of IP traffic ?
     
  16. James Long

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    We are not hackers ...

    If you are claiming that DISH is using a data stream to transfer FVOD programming to our receivers say so. To corrupt a term correctly used by other members doesn't make your statements correct.

    IPTV is DISHOnline ... programming delivered over the internet.
    FVOD is the 501 VOD channels ... programming forced to your receiver via satellite.

    We try to keep the forums informal and allow for "common use" of terms even if some anal retentive person may be crawling in their skin to point out all of the errors. The EPG is the thing that customers look in to see what programs are available ... an electronic program guide. It doesn't matter that there are other EPGs that customers don't look at - we're talking about what the customer sees. Their EPG with a whole bunch of channels in it. Some of them real, some of them mapped, some of them virtual.

    Let's keep the conversation light ... be positive.
     
  17. P Smith

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    James, can we come to common understanding of one simple physical process ? And avoid repeat mistakes ?

    "FVOD is the 501 VOD channels ... programming forced to your receiver via satellite."

    At least there are no such "501 VOD channels" exist. If we can look into SDT tables we will find just one hidden service [0xb0] "VODSV 501" on three satellites 61.5 tp29/110 tp 21/72.7 tp21. The service does not have video/audio stream and not listed in PAT/PMT, only NIT had reference to it.
    If we will research some unassigned PIDs at that tpns, we can found inside of PID 0x0907 interesting letters as "Iron Man" and "VODMV" and "sat://p=0x909,t=224,n=0x1006". What it would tell us ?
    Well, the movie "Iron Man" will be spooling at sat 110W tp 24 in PID 0x909.

    Do you want continue the research ? Do you want to see what protocol the movie's downstream using ? Do you want to see some packets ? And parse it ?
     
  18. James Long

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    "FVOD is the 501 VOD channels ... programming forced to your receiver via satellite."
    What is wrong with the statement you bolded? Is the FVOD content not displayed as the 501 channels in the customer's EPG? Is that programming not forced to the receivers via satellite? The only potential error in the statement is mentioning "your" receiver ... I assume you have a 622/722. If not then the FVOD applies to other people's receivers and not yours. If there is an error correct it, politely. If not, please move on without claiming there are "repeated mistakes". Read what is written and respond.

    What ViP DVR customers see in their EPG, the electronic program guide they see on their receivers, includes multiple channels of VOD appearing as channel 501. How that magic is accomplished isn't the question here. Why some users do or do not see particular options is the question. Can you answer that?
     
  19. Bill R

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    P Smith,

    As we all know you are one of the most knowledgeable posters here when it comes to a lot of the satellite "techie stuff". However, sometimes you know TOO much and you sometimes confuse people because of that knowledge. As in this thread, you don't fully explain why you say the things you do (for example FVOD is IPTV) and you jump all over people (like me) who asks you for clarification. Please keep in mind that we do not have the "insight" (or hardware) that you have and are just trying to better understand this stuff. And some of the stuff you post, for example, "If we will research some unassigned PIDs at that tpns, we can found inside of PID 0x0907 interesting letters as "Iron Man" and "VODMV" and "sat://p=0x909,t=224,n=0x1006". What it would tell us ?" goes completely over our heads. Maybe we need an "Advanced Technical Forum" (on this board or elsewhere) where you could give us all an education.
     
  20. P Smith

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    I'll be glad to discuss real technical aspects in such forum; just can't stand when ppl out of blue become a source of questionable "knowledge" and begin insist on that without facts.
     

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