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Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Bobman, Apr 14, 2006.

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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    I've got $5... we should start a collection and let the "internet/forum" community buy up TiVo
     
  2. Clint Lamor

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    I will kick in $5 also. :)
     
  3. cabanaboy1977

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    count me in for $5 too.
     
  4. klwillis

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    Earl,

    End users always complain despite however fast the change is occurring.
    The R&D budget of D* compared to Tivo is gigantic.
    In time I think the D* product will be as good or better than TIVO or any other manufacturer out there.
    D* is definitely determined to develop a superior product the only question is how long will it take D* to do it.
    I am willing to bet if you take all the DVRs out in the market today including cable the amount of changes and advances in the software will be more dramatic and obvious on the D* platform than any other MFG in the upcoming years.
    D* has to have a superior dvr box because they do not have a Highspeed 2 way network. So the users experience is more dependent on the DVR box than any other aspect of D* infrastructure.

    Keith

     
  5. Earl Bonovich

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    Keith...

    Not sure if you are trying to convince me... or provide a counter point...
    But from what you wrote... we have the EXACT same idea and hopes for the DirecTV DVRs
     
  6. walters

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    Actually, and I could be wrong, but I just had a look at their latest 10-Ks and they are about the same. Regardless, it's not about money, but mostly about process.
     
  7. ad301

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    That's not true, Clint. The actual SEC filing by TiVo (here: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1088825/000119312506078254/d8k.htm contains this :"Further, we agreed that neither party would assert its patents against the other party with respect to each company’s products and services deployed prior to the expiration of the agreement, subject to limited exceptions." Limited exceptions could mean anything. I don't think D* now has a blanket waiver to steal anything they want from tivo.
     
  8. Clint Lamor

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    Limited Exceptions means there are certain aspects D* isn't allowed to touch. These probably have to do with aspects of the DVR that makes TiVo different then anyone else. This whole thing goes to say that anything D* has done that doesn't go against the limted set of exceptions is fine and they won't have to worry about a court date with TiVo.
     
  9. ad301

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    Exactly my point.
     
  10. Bobman

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    The R-15 is a DVR to replace our DirecTiVos. After 5 months and 4-5 updates is your R-15 still recording ALL shows with your SL's ? Is your History next to useless with its information ? Have you ever had problems adding shows to be recorded because the to do list is full ? Can you modify an empty SL settings or delete it without a lockup ? When you use Find dont you think it should let you know its doing something ? Ever had a recording stop or start early/late or be partial for no reason ? Etc.......

    I think you see my point. I can see MANY things that should be fixed before an XM screen saver. 30 second advance, OK this shuts a lot of complainers up but a reliable unit that records properly would be preferable to me, thats all I am saying.
     
  11. Earl Bonovich

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    1) yes, it is still recording repeats... that is easy enough to test
    2) Sure, once you hit 50 it gives you a message... that is easy enough to test
    3) I can delete them, I haven't tried modifying one... as most of my SL's still have regular programming
    4) I would agree, that the "working" message should appear much soone rthen it does
    5) I can say that not one of my recordings have ever done that... that particular one is hard to "test" as their no way to recreate it on command

    As for fixing the XM screen saver... it is one of those fixes that probably took... 15-30 minutes to work and get it off the list.... some of those others you listed could take a significant amount of time.

    It is a normal thing in software development.... do you dedicated all the resources all of the time to address a major problem and pound at it for weeks on end.... or do you take a step back and take a day and knock of 10 or so little issues, while you still work on the bigger ones?

    It is also a brain fry thing.... I know (for my self), I can't work on ONE issue 24/7 just can't... as I get programmer's block or just get stuck, and need to work on something else for a little why so i can step back and take a look at the other problem in a different light.

    Don't think, just because they took the few moments to slip in a new bitmap and enabled the screen saver for XM, that they are "demoting" or diluting the other issues you have listed.
     
  12. walters

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    You order them by severity. The lowest-severity ones (those with no possibility of data loss, with suitable workarounds, etc.) you defer to a "future release" (which very often never comes). Features are generally lower priority than all but the most trivial defects. It's not just the time it takes to fix (or add) the low-hanging fruit. It's also the possibility of introducing regression, which very often just isn't worth the risk.

    At least this is how you do it when you have a proper development process in place.
     
  13. Earl Bonovich

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    Very true... but it is not just "severity", you also add in complexity, and risk...

    Low complexity, low risk, even with low severity... can get knocked off the list... and have an "impact" because it can be "seen"....

    but again... none of us are in the war-room with DirecTV.......
     
  14. walters

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    That doesn't stop you from speculating about it (yes, I know you are quite a bit closer than I am with that contact of yours). It's not going to stop me, either. A lot can be gleaned just from results without knowing how they got there.
     
  15. Earl Bonovich

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    I know... I was just trying to say... we are all just speculating, and putting our own experiences and information into the melting pot of speculation....
     
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    Let me ad my specule then. It is not complex to change code, it's easy to knock off. The problem with the repeats in SL though are still due to poor guide data. Someone is going to have to "bite the bullet" (read:spend some money) to manipulate that information rather than just buying it from the Trib. OR, now that we've semi buried the hatchet, purchase the massaged data from TIVO.
     
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    "End users always complain" is not a valid argument for releasing a product with basic advertised functionality missing or broken and charging for it.

    "Other things are worse" or "it could be worse" is also not a valid argument.

    I'm happy and fortunate, in my case, that I have only seen the annoying issues wih my r15, virtually none of the stability or failure-to-record issues. Plus we got the unit for free and also have a Tivo for backup.

    Anyway, regarding the number of SL's for 'typical users', I wonder if I should start a survey?

    I imagine there must be some segment of users who watch mostly live tv, and use the dvr primarily for trick play and may only have the odd SL or 2 or 5 even if there ARE 10 people in the household.

    Another segment, like my wife and me, don't watch live TV at all and want SLs for everything that strikes our fancy.

    ApK
     
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    Dave, I don't know how you can state that with such seeming certainty. I'll point out, once again, that the previous generation dvrs seem to be able to record series without the "repeats problem", using the exact same data. Do the UTVs have the same problem as the r15, recording every episode of a series? I've not used one, so I don't know.

    BTW, D* does already massage the data in some ways. One negative example is pro sports teams' games on RSNs. In deference to the live viewers surfing the guide, games are titled in the format visitor@home team, rather than MLB Baseball (or NHL Hockey or NBA Basketball) as the title and the teams' names in the description. This has the practical effect of preventing a season pass or series link for your favorite team's games. You must use ARWLs on a tivo unit to accomplish that, and on an r15, sports fans are pretty much out of luck except for manually setting each game to record.
     
  19. Bobman

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    I will try the 30 second slip like everyone else and I realize that it was probably one of the most requested features next to dual buffers. I just feel that we need an update soon that concentrates on the SL issues and tweaking the slugglishness / hesistation. Maybe even removing/changing the limits so we dont get conflict messages and have to delete one show that we want to record so we can add another.

    It seems many of the R-15 issues depend on how someone uses it. I think if someone only had 5-10 SL's for local network channels they would not have or might not even notice the amount of problems and duplicates that someone who has 40-50 SL"s and records mostly from Comedy, MTV, etc... that show a lot of dupes.
     
  20. Bobman

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    That sounds like me. I have approx. 112 SP's on my DirecTiVo and hardly ever watch anything live.
     
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