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2010 World Cup Soccer - Discussion

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by JACKIEGAGA, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. JACKIEGAGA

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    U.S. is going to win their next game
     
  2. Chandu

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    Actually, that's not true. They're required to submit an official match report, which is part of the job requirement.


    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/5304289/ce/us/fifa-ax-us-slovenia-ref-wc?cc=5901&ver=us


    I think crap has started to hit the fan for this guy. Unfortunately, it will be impossible to reverse any decisions. But he will have to face the consequences.

    I'm still in 2 minds whether this was all due to his incompetence, or if there is some insidious corruption/betting thing going on behind the scenes.

    I don't think USSF should take this lying down. They must push for punishment for this guy at the highest level in FIFA. But I can predict what wimpy approach they'll take. They want to win rights for 2018 World Cup, so they'll just be "diplomatic" and kowtow to the official line.
     
  3. Maruuk

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    "The official, after calling what is being universally agreed an outrageously poorly refereed game, refuses to tell anyone why he disallowed the critical goal...and in the end, was not even clear to anyone when he decided the game was over."

    Why oh why has this fantastic sport failed to capture the hearts of Americans???
     
  4. Chandu

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    That idiotic incident has been a blessing in disguise for USA. Findley isn't going to score any goals in a million years. But the coach kept on insisting on sticking with him instead of starting with other options like Edson Buddle. Now coach will be forced to not use him.

    Having said that, it should've been the coach's decision of using or not using him. Not some stupid referee's enforced decision for no violation whatsoever. And you never know, some injury scenario could force situation such that we would've wanted to have option of having him available. (*knock on wood*) USSF should strongly protest Findley's unjust disqualification as well (but not play him in next match anyway).
     
  5. Chandu

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    That's what they said ahead of the Slovenia match. :eek2:

    Actually, apart from referee controvery: Gooch's performance has been dreadful in USA defence as well. He was very solid late in 2nd half against England, but horrible against Slovenia. Both of those Slovenia goals, which should've never happened were totally his fault. We know he had the bad injury situation for months before the World Cup. Nobody was sure for the longest time if he would even make it. It is now clear that he really isn't at his 100% for this high level. I feel the coach should start Clarence Goodson instead of Gooch against Algeria.
     
  6. Chandu

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    And on a somewhat lighter note, check out the video in this link:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8741086.stm

    It has a real musician playing vuvezela to make it sound like something resembling real music. Of course, it's all in only 1 tone. But it could change your opinion of this hated instrument. :lol:
     
  7. yosoyellobo

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    Can anyone tell me how the extra time at the end of halftime and end of game calculated.
     
  8. JACKIEGAGA

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    I think it is a giant guess maybe Chandu can tell us
     
  9. yosoyellobo

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    Thanks. This is the first time I have follow the World Cup for any period of time and I am really enjoying it.
     
  10. Chandu

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    I remember somebody had asked exact same question a while back on this board. I had a long writeup on this, so instead of typing it all up again I'll simply point you to it. (There is some unrelated stuff about a different topic towards the bottom of it, but of course you can ignore it.)

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=856147&postcount=21
     
  11. yosoyellobo

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    Thanks.
     
  12. JACKIEGAGA

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    Chandu thanks
     
  13. GrumpyBear

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    I think thats a really good call. I have no idea why Goodson isn't playing, and having Gooch 1st PROVE he is better on the field NOW, vs how he was before the injury.
    US Defence has been Horrible in both games, no pressure on the ball, and over adjusting afterwards leaving to many people open.
     
  14. kikkenit2

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    Onyewu Oguchi is our make or break defense. He is powerful and tall defending corner kicks but is ultra slow straight ahead and laterally running speed. Even when he's at full speed I don't think he should be the last defender. But I am just a novice at this sport.

    I see the handball calls as very tough to call. Anywhere from a red card today right in front of the net, to many yellow cards for intentional touches, to quick unintentional deflections (like Finley's off his face). I do believe it did touch his hand after his face but so quick that it was unintentional and should have been ignored. And also some balls are knocked down near the shoulder area. I saw a yellow card on a shoulder touch.

    And lastly if both Group C games are tied wednesday and England scores a lot we could have a coin flip to advance! No overtime. No penalty kicks. A coin flip! Does David Beckham get to call it? :eek2: The US better score. And shore up that defense.
     
  15. GrumpyBear

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    Tiebreakers work this way, and were not impossible, England would have to have a much higher scoring tie game, with the US having a tie game serval points less.

    tiebreakers are used as follows:

    Greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
    goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
    greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
    drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee. (i.e., determining team positions at random)


    Here is a link you may find useful, and bottom of page 23 is the breakdown, no coin flip.
    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tou...wc_south_africa_2010_regulations_en_14123.pdf

    As for Handballs being Red or Yellow, depends on were they happen on both the field and players location on it. Today unfortunatly for the Aussie's, handball was, in the Penalty area, by the last defender, and was scoring opportunty foul. Chicken wing handballs are one of the toughest breaks in the game, and doing it in the box standing on the goal line, was a horrible break, but it was the right call.
     
  16. kikkenit2

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    Thanks GBear. I studied up before I posted. If the US ties 0-0 and England ties 2-2 wednesday I believe they are tied in every way. Therefore a 50/50 coin flip (they call it something else). If this is wrong please be more specific how. I'm not gonna read the whole rulebook. I found a simple link that explained the world cup tiebreaker rule. That is why I want the US to score more. If they lose they are out. If the US wins they move on, but if they tie and England ties then England has to score exactly 2 more goals than the US to force the coin flip. I hope this doesn't happen. If they tie in every way what is the result? This world cup is pretty fun.:)
     
  17. Chandu

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    Unfortunately, I think you're correct. I've been having trouble sleeping, even thinking such a situation could be conceivable. I wonder if Tim Howard is having trouble sleeping because of the shaky center-back situation he has to deal with lately.

    It's quite simple, if USA can't defeat Algeria they don't deserve to go through. Donovan said the same thing ahead of the Slovenija match, and in fact we did win that match. But what is done is done and can't be dwelt on now.

    USA did destroy Egypt 3-0 in Confederations Cup 1 year ago on South African soil. And then they also beat (half-awake) Turkey 1 month ago in a pre World Cup friendly. Supposedly Egypt and Turkey are fairly close comparisons to Algeria. But 1 year ago we did have services of Charlie Davies available, and he contributed significantly. Due to tragic circumstances, he isn't available now. And about Turkey, of course it was only a friendly so only so much can be taken out of it. In the 2nd half of the friendly, entire Turkish team could hardly be bothered and were in vacation mode.

    Whatever. USA cannot depend on England to help them out. England are looking like a garbage side with their own set of problems. USA has got to beat Algeria, anything less would be failure.
     
  18. Chandu

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    Ahem, I went to page 23 of that document and can't see anything related to that on that page. However, at bottom of page 41 I see:

    It is the last "g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee." that has me concerned. What the hell does that mean? I'm pretty sure that's exactly same as the coin-toss thing which is being talked about.

    BTW to kikkenit2: Harry Kewell's Australia handball call was a clear-cut penalty and red card. Absolutely no dispute about that.
     
  19. GrumpyBear

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    Yes, if England scores 2 more goals than the US, then we are tied up, if England has a tie game with more than 2pts, the USA is screwed. There is NO Coin flip though. Its done by a draw, I just posted ALL the ways a tie is decided, in the order, before a draw system is used. No coin flip involved, and 2 ties don't mean we are all tied up.

    AHEM, Yes on Page 41 of the Guide it says the break down, on all 4 of my computers when you open the PDF file its on 23 page of 29 pages, as the default layout, is double pages, and page 23 has page 40 on the left and 41 on the right. Since this is the same way on 4 different computers, I posted it that way. Granted if some are blind and have to open up the document larger than default, they will have a different amount of pdf pages.

    If England wins in a 3-3 tie, vs a USA 0-0 tie, with 3 goals different in soccer scoring, hence alot more than the USA, even in a with both teams tieing, England would go on, and the USA would be left out. There is alot more to figuring out a tie in this scenerio. So once again in ORDER

    tiebreakers are used as follows:

    Greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
    goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
    greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
    drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee. (i.e., determining team positions at random)


    As you can see alot more goes into the tie breaking system.
    http://www.cupcalculator.com/#groupc
     
  20. kikkenit2

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    Neither one of us wants this complete tie to happen but if it does how is a random draw any different than a coin flip?
    Pick a number out of a hat. Higher number wins? Curious but really who cares. My point is it may not be decided on the field.
    This is a controversial rule. At least in the following rounds ties will be played on correct? Even a shootout is better than drawing lots.
     

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