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2011-12 Season Ratings - Winter

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  1. Feb 14, 2012 #81 of 146
    Church AV Guy

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    I and my wife both like Alcatraz, and this weeks was, with one exception, a very good episode. Guess
    who in the first few minutes of the show will be dead by the end of the show. The guy might just as well be wearing a red shirt! Sheesh, how cliche.:(
     
  2. Feb 14, 2012 #82 of 146
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    NBC did that with Cincinnati and Harry's Law (Riverfront Stadium etc). Maybe Fox will improve it in the second season like we got.
     
  3. Feb 14, 2012 #83 of 146
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    I am LOVING Smash. I think it is amazing so far!!!
     
  4. Feb 15, 2012 #84 of 146
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    We are also enjoying the show which is why I don't understand why the older demo is watching "Castle" and "Hawaii Five-0".

    Here's the second Tuesday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    ABC's ratings allowed NBC to move up one notch. Here's the two hour averages:

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    "Last Man Standing" continues its slow ratings decline.

    "Cougar Town" premiered its season to cancellation level ratings, well below the premiers in that time slot of "Work It" and "Man Up."

    That failure was followed by the viewer-rejected "The River" second episode.

    Finally the Disney-owned ABC closed with cancellation level ratings for "Body of Proof."

    If one ignores The CW, ABC's Tuesday situation is at Disney-suits-panic-level.

    CBS, on the other hand, continues to dominate the night.

    Fox. On January 31, "Glee" returned with new episodes to 3.6/10 - 9.02 million. Last week, it slipped and this week it slipped some more, now having lost 22% of the return demo and 25% of the 50+ crowd.

    "The New Girl" is still doing well. Each week we record and watch it. We sit there through the first 85% of the show wondering why we're watching it and then the wrap-up comes along making us laugh out loud. It's an unusual approach to comedy, at risk of losing the audience. But the humor does work.

    "Raising Hope" doesn't hold the lead in.

    NBC's suits find themselves in third place, in fact even in second place at 9:30, through no fault of their own. For instance, we have recorded and watched every episode of "Parenthood" because we think it's good drama but recognize that it's survival is some kind of miracle. Except that like last night, it has frequently been #2 in its time slot in the demo.

    Unfortunately, the reality this reflects is that only 22 million folks were watching live at 10:00 last night out of ...well, if we take the highest hour total from Super Bowl Sunday... 112 million possible live viewers. That's 20% for the networks to divide. Worse yet, they have to divide 13% of the potential live demo viewers, if one uses the highest hour total from Super Bowl Sunday as the potential.

    I guess this is why Fox led the charge to charge viewers. There's no way the networks can sell enough advertising to cover the cost of shows if advertising revenue is going to be based on live+same day ratings.

    The CW at this point would be considered a struggling cable network.:eek2:
     
  5. Feb 15, 2012 #85 of 146
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    Poor CW.
     
  6. Feb 15, 2012 #86 of 146
    Church AV Guy

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    Given the ratings for the whole year so far, aside from maybe Vampire Diaries and one or two other shows, it seems that the CW network is not long for this world. I can hardly believe that they are in fact MAKING MONEY with the ratings that they are getting, and no business is in the business of losing money (now the government, that's a different story,:D anyway...) so how can they continue? Any idea how the overall ratings of The CW have been over the last five years or more? I seem to think that they are shrinking, and not growing.:( The observation that they ran a rerun instead of a new episode IN A SWEEPS PERIOD is just unbelievable!
     
  7. Feb 15, 2012 #87 of 146
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    The wife and I are loving Smash.
     
  8. Feb 16, 2012 #88 of 146
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    Here's the second Wednesday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    Fox ran "American Idol" in both hours giving it a #1 spot in every half hour. Last week "Mobbed" came in #3 in the 9:00 hour.

    ABC. Here's the two hour averages competition:

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    ABC's comedies averaged a tie with CBS for second in the demo, but not in total viewers. And if it weren't from "Modern Family" ABC would be third in the demo also.

    CBS. "Survivor" had its lowest season premier, but still had acceptable ratings making it #2 for the hour. Against a second hour of "Idol", "Criminal Minds" found itself as #3 at 9:00 and #2 at 9:30 in the demo even though it was #2 in total viewers in both half hours. "CSI" is still the winner at 10:00.

    NBC. "Whitney" and "Chelsea" are clearly one season shows as NBC plans its makeover. I assume they were just giving Brian Williams some exposure with "Rock Center", but that's minimal exposure with a demo that would have truly embarrassed the prime time "Leno" experiment. "SVU" is getting a little long of tooth and will not be back next year.

    The CW.
    Yeah....

    It's really hard to figure out what they are doing as a company. Their core audience tends to watch "American Idol" live. So February sweeps is a disaster for them

    In 2008 and 2009 they ran reruns on the comparable Wednesday against "Idol" with ratings similar to last night's ratings. In 2010 everyone ran reruns against the Winter Olympics. On 2/16/2011 they ran reruns against "Idol."

    But on the comparable week in 2008 on Thursday, when "Idol" wasn't running, "Smallville" pulled a 1.5/4 - 3.67 million and "Supernatural" had a 1.2/3 - 2.94 million. They now have no night or show with comparable ratings.

    I know they are getting hits on the web site for fans streaming shows which is consistent with their target demo. And you can buy music via their web site through iTunes which makes a little money. And you can buy [strike]crap[/strike] merchandise via their web site.

    Whether this means anything to their advertisers and affiliates, I really don't know.

    Maybe The CW is the "canary in the mine" for broadcast television. Or maybe there never really was room for a fifth general broadcast network and a niche broadcast network has to fight for revenue via the web along with some retransmission payments to their affiliates.
     
  9. Feb 16, 2012 #89 of 146
    Church AV Guy

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    It HAS to mean something when over the past few years, the ratings for the entire network are dwindling. Look at REMODELED last (Wednesday) night.

    0.2/1 | 0.50 | 1.1%

    That is WORSE than pathetic!:(

    Poor CW indeed! I actually watch more on the CW network than I do on NBC. Despite its ratings, I really like Nikita, for example.:D
     
  10. Feb 17, 2012 #90 of 146
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    I agree. I really like Nikita. And I watch Vampire Diaries as well. I used to watch Smallville on the CW too.

    BTW - just an FYI but CSY:New York is on hiatus until the end of March. A Gifted Man will be airing at 9:00 during this time.
     
  11. Feb 17, 2012 #91 of 146
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    Here's the third Thursday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    We seem to have some odd results. The first hour seems to be short about 2 million viewers, while the second hour is up over 5 million viewers.

    In the first half hour, compared to last week "Idol" is down about 1.5 million total viewers and "BBT" is down about half a million total viewers. In the second half hour, "Idol" is down about 1.1 million and "Rob" is down only 0.1 million.

    But in the second full hour "Idol" pulled 10 million more viewers than "The Finder", about half who didn't watch in the two prior weeks and the remainder from the other networks.

    So....

    Fox won the two hour contest...

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    ..even though their viewers apparently were stuck longer than usual in evening commute traffic.:sure:

    But last year on 2/17/2011 in the 8:00 slot "Idol" pulled 7.5/22 - 21.94 million, so the year-to-year slide continues.


    CBS in the first hour also seemed to be hurt by that extra commute time and by the extra hour of "Idol" in the second hour. "The Mentalist" at 10:00 faced another factor that entered into the picture...

    ABC ran one of those "Grey's Anatomy" finishes up in "Private Practice" combinations last night so even though "Grey's" hit a season low "Practice" was up winning the demo at 10:00.

    NBC's 2-hour comedy lineup slipped, mostly in the second hour. It appears that "Grimm" reruns ratings at 10:00 are grim. I still think they ought to run "Grimm" on Tuesday at 10:00 against ABC's "Body of Proof" and CBS' "Unforgettable."

    The CW.
    It appears that "Vampire Diaries" is the only show that attracts even a modicum of live demo viewers for the network this year. Ratings for everything else is not worth noting.:(
     
  12. Feb 17, 2012 #92 of 146
    Church AV Guy

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    That's too bad, because I like Nikita, Ringer, and I still watch Supernatural. That's more shows than I watch on NBC.
     
  13. Feb 17, 2012 #93 of 146
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    Yes, I forgot to add I watch Ringer as well. It really is kind of dumb, but I have to admit that they constantly surprise me with the plot. Every time I think I've figured out what direction they will move in, they surprise me. So I keep watching to see what Shiobahn is really plotting, what the step-daughter is really up to, who really took/killed Gemma, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if we find out that Gemma's husband isn't really the father of the baby! But the side plot with Gemma's dad and the investment scam is sort of a distraction. Doesn't yet fit with the rest of the story.
     
  14. Feb 18, 2012 #94 of 146
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    Here's the third Friday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    CBS. This would have been an even more interesting set of ratings for CBS had ABC and NBC not been running specials. But looking at the two hour ratings...

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    ...it seems like running the popular reality show "Undercover Boss" at 8:00 on Friday works and it appears that "A Gifted Man' may do as well at 9:00 as "CSI:NY" though we won't know at least until next week.

    Fox slipped again this week, this time because a few fickle reality show fans at 8:00 switched to CBS and "Fringe" didn't suddenly become popular with the live viewers.

    ABC ran a special "20/20" called "One Moment in Time: The Life of Whitney Houston" from 9:00 to 11:00 which gave the network a demo win at in both the 9:00 and 10:00 hours but did not give the network a win in the first two hours average which means it didn't gain anything but a few bucks on one "20/20".

    NBC ran "The 43rd Annual NAACP Image Awards" from 8:00 to 10:00. The ratings make prime time "Leno" ratings seem magical. The network really should have aired this on Saturday. What we have now is "Grimm" fans puzzling over what happened to their show.

    The CW. :shrug:
     
  15. Feb 20, 2012 #95 of 146
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    Here's the third Sunday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    Here's each network's average 1 hour rating for the 4 hours (3 hours for Fox):

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    ABC's "Once Upon a Time" had the highest demo rating for the night. On the other hand, the ratings for the finale of "Pan Am" were so low that the network finished third for the night.

    CBS. I had some hopes that this Sunday we'd begin to see how a real Sunday night competition would look. Unfortunately, in the East CBS had golf run over 22 minutes. It didn't have the effect of a significant sporting event, but it means the ratings aren't "clean." CBS tied for the demo win and clearly won the total viewer ratings. But it got that demo win tie from the season premier of "Amazing Race."

    Fox's animation lineup did fine in the 8:00 and 9:00 hours, but the 7:00 hour keeps them from winning the night.

    NBC ran a two hour rerun of "The Voice" from 7:00 to 9:00 and premiered "Celebrity Apprentice" in the 9:00 to 11:00 time period. This gave them a demo win tie with CBS.

    The demo wins for the night were:
    • 7:00 CBS "60 Minutes" - 2.1
    • 8:00 ABC "Once Upon a Time" - 3.0
    • 9:00 NBC "Celebrity Apprentice" - 2.5 (premier)
    • 10:00 NBC "Celebrity Apprentice" - 2.8 (premier)
    The viewers age 50+ wins for the night were:
    • 7:00 CBS "60 Minutes" - 9.6
    • 8:00 CBS "Amazing Race" - 7.3
    • 9:00 CBS "The Good Wife" - 7.5
    • 10:00 CBS "CSI: Miami" - 7.7
    Since the only one we record and watch in the age 50+ is "The Good Wife" and we do record and watch "Once Upon a Time", I'm not sure what that says about us.

    Of course, what we want to watch Sunday night is "Downton Abbey", the highest rated PBS show that has consistently pulled 4+ million live viewers (not counting repeat showings) even against the Super Bowl. Unfortunately last night was the season finale. (No spoilers here, please, as I haven't watched the recording yet.)

    Next season they will be adding Shirley MacLaine, age 77, to the cast to play the mother of Cora Crawley, Countess of Grantham, played by Elizabeth McGovern's, age 50. MacLaine and Maggie Smith, who plays Violet Crawley, Dowager Countess of Grantham, were both born in 1934.

    I assume the 3rd season will get the similar ratings from the 50+ crowd that the previous two seasons brought to PBS.
     
  16. Feb 21, 2012 #96 of 146
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    Alcatraz down to 1.8 on 2/20. I'm starting to see the writing on the prison wall. :(

    If FOX has to choose between Terra Nova and Alcatraz, I wonder if they'll account for Alcatraz's stiffer competition on Mondays and what is likely a smaller budget.

    Frankly, I'd feel pretty lucky to get just ONE of them back next year...
     
  17. Feb 21, 2012 #97 of 146
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    I'm just hoping they'll put one of them on at 9:00 Friday continuing the tradition of ... I don't even know how to describe the tradition.

    Here's the third Monday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    Monday's competition during this sweeps period has been head-to-head, no specials or reruns. Two of the networks, ABC and NBC, have shows running from 8:00 to 10:00, two of the networks, Fox and The CW, only have a two hour lineup, while CBS has four half-hour sitcoms during that period. Here's what the two hour averages look like:

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    ABC's "The Bachelor" appears to have a stable number of live viewers in the demo and total keeping the show in 3rd place. "Castle" remains competitive at 10:00; even though it's consistently 3rd in the demo, it is now second in total viewers.

    CBS. The two-hour sitcom block finished 2nd in each half hour and for the two hours. "Hawaii Five-0" was the 10:00 winner.

    Fox is now firmly in 4th place in the two-hour competition. "House" has a decent audience that likely will be there for its series finale. "Alcatraz" with ratings of 1.8/4 - 5.96 million in a time period that has a demo of 15 million and a total of 45 million is just simply sad.

    NBC. "The Voice" seems to be stable from last week, still in 1st place. "Smash" on the other hand lost 5 million viewers from its premier, 0.9 million to "Castle", 0.4 million to "Hawaii Five-0" and 3.7 million to activities other than broadcast TV.

    "Smash" has a problem. In the ages 18-49 demo, it could easily find itself in and out of 3rd place. But it seems to not appeal to the age 50+ live viewers. There are regularly about 19 million live 50+ viewers at 10:00. ABC and CBS will each likely get 7.5 million leaving "Smash" with 4 million.

    Conventional advertising wisdom says that those older viewers don't matter. But at 10:00 weekdays they average about 75% of the viewers.

    For NBC, of course, "Smash" is a ratings magnet. But realistically, it is very expensive to produce and isn't a "loss leader" because it doesn't help the overall schedule. Robert Greenblatt, the new Chairman of NBC Entertainment, made the choice to bring this with him from Showtime. It would have been a good choice for a premium channel. I don't know how Comcast suits are going to evaluate that decision. Maybe he can keep them focused on "The Voice."

    The CW. :shrug:
     
  18. Feb 21, 2012 #98 of 146
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    Ringer comes on tonight so I bet the CW rakes in the viewers ;)
     
  19. Feb 22, 2012 #99 of 146
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    Here's the third Tuesday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    ABC. The Disney suits have to be very unhappy. ABC has managed to become the new NBC, rating last in the demo in every hour. Here's the first two hour averages:

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    Even "Raising Hope" has a higher demo than "The River." And "Cougar Town" is a ratings loser, on its second airing of the season drawing fewer viewers than "Work It" and "Man Up", the shows ABC canceled they had bad ratings.

    CBS continues to dominate the night even though for some reason the demos slipped. "Unforgettable" continues to win the 10:00 demo by virtue of the fact that "Body of Proof" and "Parenthood" get worse ratings.

    Fox was 2nd in the two hour competition demo.

    NBC no longer is in 4th in the demo in any Tuesday hour. ABC kindly brought back "Cougar Town" and followed it by "The River" thereby demonstrating just how rapidly bad programming decisions can kick you to the bottom. And the network should have moved "Grimm" into the 10:00 Tuesday slot.

    The CW.
    Well, it did get it's highest total viewer ratings since they brought back new episodes on 1/31/2012.:sure:
     
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    Here's the third Wednesday of Nielsen 2012 February Sweeps:

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    Fox. Other web sites have noted the drop "American Idol" ratings over last week. Here's the two hour averages:

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    Indeed the drop from last week averaged 0.8 million demo viewers and 2.9 million total viewers which represents a 13.6% drop in the demo and a 16.4% drop in the 50+ crowd. What's significant here is the average total broadcast TV viewers for the two hours week-to-week which indicates that the lost "Idol" viewers just weren't watching broadcast TV.

    Also significant is that last year (2/23/2011) "Idol" averaged 7.8/21 - 22.60 million. That's a 34.6% drop in the demo and a 28.4% drop in the 50+ crowd.

    ABC. The two hour comedy lineup seems to be holding. For whatever reason ABC decided to give away a million demo viewers at 10:00. Again, they just quit watching broadcast TV without having "Revenge" to watch.

    CBS is holding its own. In the first two hours it was clearly 2nd in total viewers and in the demo it was 2nd in three of the half hours, but "Criminal Minds" from 9:00 to 9:30 was 3rd behind "Idol" and "Modern Family". "CSI" was the big winner at 10:00.

    NBC had almost twice the demo of The CW in the first two hours, although the demo ratings for "Rock Center with Brian Williams" are the same as "Hart of Dixie" pulled on Monday at 9:00 and below "The Secret Circle" on Thursday at 9:00 and "Supernatural" on Friday at 9:00. Yeah, it's that bad.:rolleyes:

    To what extent having no lead in affects its ratings is difficult to measure, but "Law & Order: SVU" is rapidly slipping at 10:00.

    The CW found a real loser in "Remodeled" which apparently doesn't even appeal much to their young female target demo.
     

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