2011 - 2012 NFL Thread

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  1. Nov 4, 2011 #21 of 847
    Scott Kocourek

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    I'll take that as a big no thank you because you know I won't go into hiding. :D

    It's only for fun and I don't want to force a member into not participating over a football game.
     
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    Okay then I'll be here. I like my crow medium rare with barbeque sauce. :D
     
  3. Nov 4, 2011 #23 of 847
    vikefan

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    I believe that the Vikings may have found their QB. :)
     
  4. Nov 4, 2011 #24 of 847
    Scott Kocourek

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    I think so too, I just wish they would have waited a little longer to start him. :) We don't need him too good before we play them again.
     
  5. Nov 4, 2011 #25 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Not unless Fran Tarkington is coming back.... :D

    He can probably still scramble better than McNabb though.

    The rookie looks OK...but needs more work.
     
  6. Nov 4, 2011 #26 of 847
    vikefan

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    True. he has the rest of the year to get some of the green off. But that being said. His green looks to have a good tint to it. Here's to the future and what I seen so far I'm feeling good. Packer's look better this year. So maybe by next year we can hang around the top of the division.:)
     
  7. Nov 4, 2011 #27 of 847
    RACJ2

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    Someones making bold predictions again. At least this time you let us know that you're going to disappear from this thread, prior to it happening.
     
  8. Nov 4, 2011 #28 of 847
    Stewart Vernon

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    That was still my point, though I should have been more accurate about players that were and were not part of the 0-16...

    Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman had horrible first year records... Steve Young floundered for a while in places like Tampa Bay before becoming a hall-of-famer with the 49ers.

    There are also Ryan Leaf's too...

    At this point, we don't know much about Tebow was the main point. I hate it when a player gets stuck with a horrible team and people say "see, we told you he would fail"... Put Stafford on the Broncos, and he is probably already gone for the season with an injury... and I'm not slamming Stafford... rather I'm slamming the Broncos offense.

    Is Tebow in the top 5 or even top 10 QBs in the league right now? No. I'm not even sure he will ever be a top 10 QB in the league... BUT with 32 teams, he might very well be able to be a good QB with a good team if he gets to learn how things work and practice for a few years without being beaten down all the time (physically, not mentally from the criticism)...

    Look at Jay Cutler with Chicago... he was getting massacred on a regular basis by the poor offensive game plan and line protection... they finally start to use Forte and a running game, and Cutler looks like a Pro-Bowler again.

    The Tebow experiment may fail no matter what... I just hope he (like any QB) gets a fair shake.
     
  9. Nov 4, 2011 #29 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Cutler is currently ranked as the 15th best QB in the league right now...barely in the top half of the list - not exactly Pro Bowl material at this point. He's had 2 good games...maybe 3...so far where he actually looked like a real NFL quarterback. But yes...the Chicago offensive line is indeed offensive.
     
  10. Nov 4, 2011 #30 of 847
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    Won't disappear, Scott said I have to pretend to be a Cheesehead. I'm still gonna trash em, I'll just be in disguise. :D
     
  11. Nov 4, 2011 #31 of 847
    chevyguy559

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    I don't have much to add except I'm very pleased with my 49ers performance this season! It was a welcome surprise! GO NINERS! :D
     
  12. Nov 5, 2011 #32 of 847
    Stewart Vernon

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    That was kind of my point... Cutler looked awful, but it's not clear how much of that was his fault.

    A couple of games now with a strong running game from Matt Forte, and the poor offensive line of the Bears is less exposed, Cutler has more time, and Cutler's performance has been much improved.

    It's a good comparison for Tebow too... because Cutler came from Denver back when they actually were a better offensive team than they are now... and even when Cutler played well at Denver they were still losing games.

    The point I was essentially making is... for a couple of games Cutler has now looked dramatically different than he did for most of the games prior.

    IF Tebow had a running back, a couple of good wide receivers, and more time in the pocket from a better offensive line... then we would see if he is failing because of accuracy and poor decision making... vs being inaccurate and indecisive due to lack of time and confidence in his offensive options.
     
  13. Nov 5, 2011 #33 of 847
    Scott Kocourek

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    I agree about Cutler, it's hard to be good when you are running for your life or on your back. They need to protect him and the few times they do he plays well.
     
  14. Nov 5, 2011 #34 of 847
    Stewart Vernon

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    This is in fact one of the reasons why the Packers survived all of their injuries last year.

    They lost their starting running back... but they had a good enough offensive line that the backup was able to flourish enough to keep Rodgers from taking defenses full blitz all the time.

    Put Rodgers on the Bears, and we wouldn't have been talking about how good Rodgers has been since taking over from Favre.

    Heck... I wager some of Favre looking suddenly much older with the Jets and the Vikings was in part because those teams were not as good as the Packers team that he left.

    Mind you, Rodgers is good... but we can flip this too... Look how back the Colts are without Peyton Manning this year... but look how the Patriots went 11-5 a couple of years ago when Tom Brady went down.

    Nobody would argue Tom Brady isn't a top-tier QB... but clearly the rest of the team is good enough that someone else in the system can carry the day without falling off the table.

    Some teams are just built sideways... the Colts are about as sideways as it gets, because their defense is almost completely dependent on their team being able to score and be ahead... and their offense depends so much on Manning making last-second calls that they are screwed thus far without him.

    I'm a Rodgers fan... and I don't know who their backup is... but I seriously doubt the Packers would go winless if Rodgers had to miss some games with an injury. They are good at several key positions, and have a good line.

    Even though the Broncos have won a couple of games and the Colts are winless... I'm pretty sure the Broncos are the actual worst team in the league. Even Miami, who is also winless like the Colts... the Dolphins players seem to always be playing hard each week and may just be a player or two (QB especially) away from being at least 50/50.

    I don't know who could QB the Broncos to much better than they are right now... they have too many holes.
     
  15. Nov 5, 2011 #35 of 847
    Kevin F

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    Let's go Buffalo!

    Kevin
     
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    RACJ2

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    I second that motion!

    Its going to be a tough game against the Jets this week. If the Jets can execute their game plan to take Jackson out of the game, it could be a long day. If Jackson plays like he has is past games, it could be an exciting game for Bills fans.
     
  17. Nov 5, 2011 #37 of 847
    ghontz1

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    Go Chiefs
     
  18. Nov 5, 2011 #38 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    I hear the Vikings are looking at a new domed stadium soon that is worthy of their team...
     

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    Poll: Who will win a game first: Colts or Dolphins? Or neither?
     
  20. Nov 6, 2011 #40 of 847
    Stewart Vernon

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    Dolphins.

    The Dolphins have almost won a couple already... the Colts really were only in one game (the Steelers).

    Dolphins keep playing hard despite being undermanned. Colts seem to be losing hope in a hurry.
     

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