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2011 - 2012 NFL Thread

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Scott Kocourek, Nov 3, 2011.

  1. Nov 7, 2011 #61 of 847
    Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    +1.

    Mr. Rodgers played at a stadium not too far from my house. Great to see a scholar excel in sports at the pro level.
     
  2. Nov 7, 2011 #62 of 847
    sigma1914

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    I just checked and was shocked that Rodgers isn't the top QB thus far in the season for yards per game. Brees & Brady have more yards per game. (YPG is more fair since some teams have played 1 more game.) Brees, Brady, & Rodgers are all on pace to crush Marino's all-time single season record of 5,084.
     
  3. Nov 7, 2011 #63 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Then again, accuracy is higher valued than total # of yards.

    24 TD 3 picks (2 of which were receiver tips) - WOW.

    3 guys passing more than 5K in yards would be amazing indeed.

    These guys are simply fun to watch.
     
  4. Nov 7, 2011 #64 of 847
    sigma1914

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    I wish Rodgers the best...unless they are playing the Giants or Falcons in the NFC. ;) The guy has surprised me...I didn't think he was going to be this good.
     
  5. Nov 7, 2011 #65 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    I'm not a Packers fan at all, but Aaron Rodgers is most likely the greatest QB that has ever played the game in my lifetime. Period.

    The scary thing is that he still has a lot of playing time in which to surpass even more records.
     
  6. Nov 7, 2011 #66 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Even I forget at times that he's only 27 years old.
     
  7. Nov 7, 2011 #67 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    I know. Better than Bradshaw, Marino, both Mannings, Elway, Montana, Brady...

    I don't care that he has yet to win 2, 3, or 4 Super Bowls. That doesn't make a QB great. When everything is taken into consideration, Rodgers is simply the best QB in the NFL right now, and the best that ever played the game in my lifetime.

    I don't say this lightly, because I can't stand the Packers.
     
  8. Nov 7, 2011 #68 of 847
    sigma1914

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    The best in your life after a couple years? You must be easily impressed.
     
  9. Nov 7, 2011 #69 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    No, I know excellence when I see it. The guy is simply unbelievable, as close to perfection as a quarterback can get.

    It took all the other QBs much longer to be as good.
     
  10. Nov 7, 2011 #70 of 847
    sigma1914

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    Really? Much longer? Rodgers is in his 7th year, 3 of which he was able to study and learn the game.

    Check out where other QBs were by their 7th year.

    He's an amazing QB, but the best in recent years is a bit premature.
     
  11. Nov 7, 2011 #71 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    He is in his 3rd year as a playing QB. It's kind of tough to throw passes and do all the things QBs do if you're sitting on the bench.

    You're comparison is improper and faulty.
     
  12. Nov 7, 2011 #72 of 847
    sigma1914

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    He's in his 4th year starting, not 3rd. He has an advantage to learn the game by waiting 3 years on the bench. He was groomed to take over...most are thrown out there pretty quick. He's right where great QBs usually are after 6 and a half seasons.
     
  13. Nov 7, 2011 #73 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    He is the best QB in the NFL, absolutely and unequivocally.
     
  14. Nov 7, 2011 #74 of 847
    sigma1914

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    Ever or now?
     
  15. Nov 7, 2011 #75 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    Now and ever in my lifetime, not of all time--yet. I wouldn't doubt, however, that he ends up becoming the best who ever played the game.
     
  16. Nov 8, 2011 #76 of 847
    Stewart Vernon

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    I don't know how old you are... so I can't say if your statement might be validated by being younger than some of us.

    In my lifetime, though...

    I still have Joe Montana at the top of my list of "best QB ever"... After that it gets murky for me.

    Tom Brady is very Montana-like, and has 3 Super-Bowls... but so does Troy Aikman. No offense to Aikman, but my gut tells me that Brady is smarter than Aikman but that Aikman was better athletically.

    So... I probably have to go:

    1. Joe Montana
    2. Troy Aikman
    3. Tom Brady

    After that... more murkiness...

    John Elway finally won 3 back-to-back SBs and was the losing QB a couple of other times... but Dan Marino has lots of awesome regular-season stats. I also think Jim Kelly of the Bills is WAY underappreciated, especially with the unprecedented 4 SB appearances (albeit losses) in a row that may never be repeated.

    I may surprise some folks here...

    1. Joe Montana
    2. Troy Aikman
    3. Tom Brady
    4. John Elway
    5. Jim Kelly

    Marino probably headlines my next group... and then we begin to talk about more of the current crop.

    Peyton Manning would be in my top 10... as would Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.

    I would like to think that Eli Manning and Philip Rivers have a shot at working their way into my top 10.

    Now ALL that said... my list is only for those QBs in my lifetime... and truth be told, I really didn't start watching football until 1985 when I was 15... so I missed a lot of good QBs.

    What about Terry Bradshaw? There are names not even on the tip of my tongue that IF I had lived during their time OR been older to watch their games in my early youth... I might not have any modern/current guys other than Tom Brady if I expanded my top 10 to include "all-time" QBs and not just "in my lifetime" QBs.
     
  17. Nov 8, 2011 #77 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    A few years older than you. ;)

    Aaron Rodgers is better than all those whom you have listed above. History will confirm that as time goes by.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2011 #78 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Actually, he's well ahead of most of them this early and this young.
    I'd agree Montana is still at the top of the list. Given Aaron 3 more years of great performance (no one can keep up his current performance that long though) - playing at least 80-90% as well as now...and he may become #2 or #3.
    Aikman is maybe #10 all time in numerous categories.

    BTW - even he was quoated the other day saying "we may never have seen this level of QB play in the NFL in our lifetime".

    Brady - no doubt he has won the SBs and done well beyond expectations. Probably in the top 3-4 all time. Still not a fan - he has been on a decline for several seasons now.

    Elway - hardly. He and Marino shared 1 thing - they simply through a ton of passes...and happened to have some great receivers for several years - ramping up the stats. Elway's passes often were "wobblers", whereas Marino was a passing machine, but could never win the big game. Those guys were maybe in the bottom of the top 10.
    Thanks for bringing him up - do doubt won alot of games, but you and I could have completed the 60% of the passes behind that offensive line during that streak of seasons. He himself has repeatedly admitted "I was an average quarterback surrounded by outstanding talent and playing behind one of the best offensive lines in NFL history.

    Give any QB 6 seconds to throw, and they'll complete alot of passes.
    I think its probably too early to look at Aaron in terms of historical comparisons, but for sure, he's off to one of the most remarkable statistical, accuracy, winning, and playing level starts for 3 1/2 seasons that any QB in history has ever demonstrated. Ask me again in 3 more seasons.

    Last but not least...there are a number of QBs who played in the 40's, 50's, and 60's who were also among the greatest of all time - but before most of our times. By the way - I always admired the 49'ers, but was never a "fan".

    My Top 10 ranking right now:

    1) Joe Montana
    2) Sammy Baugh
    3) Tom Brady
    4) Steve Young
    5) Payton Manning
    6) Brett Favre
    7) Johnny Unitas
    8) Bart Starr
    9) Dan Marino
    10) Troy Aikman

    Alot of anyone's rankings come down to stats, impact to a team, impact to the league, and playoff/championship results.
     
  19. Nov 8, 2011 #79 of 847
    Laxguy

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    I wonder if something has been added to the water in the MidWest?? A few residents have been recently given to wide-sweeping and categorical statements about football teams and certain players.....?

    :D
     
  20. Nov 8, 2011 #80 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     

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