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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by cjrleimer, Dec 5, 2010.
That is how I understand it to be as well, but I am having trouble finding anything to back that up.
You can't replace the players because the players aren't going on strike, the owners are locking them out. Lockout and strike are not the same.
I believe the last CBA disallows the use of replacement players redgardless of the reason for the work stoppage.
Taken from this:
"In a lockout, the employer--in this case, the owners--prevent the workers from working and therefore, earning their pay. The NFL has never locked out its players, but in several other leagues, such as the National Hockey League and the National Basketball Association, lockouts have become a trend for dealing with labor disputes. But the most important thing to remember with both a strike and a lockout is that labor laws allow them to occur only if there is a union. So if the NFLPA were to decertify as a union, striking and locking out would no longer be options."
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That doesn't allow for the use of replacements, it just eliminates the possibility of a lock out, and therefore allows for players to sue the NFL for not allowing them to work.
There will be NO REPLACEMENT PLAYERS irregardless of any other actions by either side.
Strike/Lockout going on two years from now Still no Replacement Players.
Of course I beleive this will be settled in August more likely. Best case Scenario
Worst Case Mid October IMO. Players will never make it past that.
If no Lockout I will be watcing either on CBS/FOX but no ST for sure.
The NFL owners made the decision not to go the replacement player route again. They made the rule and I suppose they could change it if they wanted to but they won't.
So then there can be replacement players? Good to know.
Once the CBA is ended, I'm pretty sure there is no binding rule. Perhaps at most a self-imposed rule by the owners.
Without a union there isn't a lockout. There can be a cessation of business by the owners. Similar to a lockout.
And then union can't strike--there ain't a union. (kinda by definition.)
I suppose there might be a carry-over rule from the CBA that imposes a no replacement player rule for a set time-limit after the end of the CBA. Much like the rule that the union can't decertify for 6 months after the CBA has ended. (Hence their effort to decertify before the CBA ends.)
Sorry to be rude, but do you guys think a lockout will come out of tomorrows talks?
I'm not sure. Today's non-gagged comments by both sides could be last minute blow-offs and saber rattling before a even laster minute deal.
Or they could be real signs the deal ain't happening this week.
If the deal isn't happening this week... decertify, lawsuit, lockout (cessation of business) are all very likely. (And very ugly.)
Or they could extend.
In other words, I think all options are viable right now. I think the owners got pretty stupid in thinking how unified the players are. I think they thought they could bully the union.
So this becomes a get to know each other phase and see if reason can prevail.
Cool. Thanks for the info Tom. Much appreciated. Let's hope there's no lockout. This is coming from a buffalo bills fan...
The Packers need good, quality opponents or the whole gets pretty boring. I hope the players and the owners realize the better course very soon, so all the teams can focus on great football.
You're right. It's just a self-imposed rule. A rule can be repealed just as easily as it was passed. All it takes is a majority of the owners.
From what I've read, replacement players are possible but are highly unlikely. It didn't really work the last time, and it will further divide the two sides. The only reason the owners did it the last time was because a few notable players did cross the picket line. The players are apparently more united this time, so it wouldn't be worth it.
Can't imagine this gets resolved anytime soon. The owners are not going to agree to anything but what they want at this point. They aren't going to concede much. They know they have all the power. And in October when players have missed a few checks and they come crawling back to the negotiating table, it's going to be ugly for them. The owners are absolutely going to win this "negotiation".
No it doesnt.
I don't think they will change it but how do you know that they can't change it?
10 minutes. I've been watching ESPN for the last 5 minutes or so... Let's see what happens.
The Players Association just filed for decertification.