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2012 - 2013 NFL Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by JACKIEGAGA, Sep 5, 2012.

  1. JACKIEGAGA

    JACKIEGAGA N.Y. FOOTBALL GIANTS

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    I'm shocked also.
     
  2. sdk009

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    First off there aren't enough good healthy players around to keep every team at a highly competitve level. Secondly, good coaching can turn good players into a really good team. Look at what's happened with the Seahawks and Niners over the last two years.
     
  3. hdtvfan0001

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    One could make the case that good players also overcome bad coaches.
     
  4. hilmar2k

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    The Jets do have some of the worst ownership/management in the NFL. But that said, there are obviously many coaches that would jump at that job.

    As a Patriots fan living in NY, it does bring me some satisfaction watching Jets fans the past couple of seasons. And it isn't getting any better for them anytime soon. Same for the Giants, really. They have a ton of holes to fill, and other than JPP not a ton of good young players.
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    Jets keeping Ryan isn't surprising... they seem to be so non-functional right now that they probably can't see the forest of problems for the trees.

    Chicago firing Lovey is a bit of a surprise, though... because 10-6 is not a bad year even though they didn't make the playoffs... and they probably make the playoffs last season if not for injuries. Chicago has an offensive line/scheme problem that they need to fix... the next coach will do no better if they don't address that. I personally think their hiring of Mike Martz a few years ago set them back several seasons even after letting him go... I think he messed things up enough that whomever was next coaching the offense would have an uphill battle.

    Good to see some GMs on the list... While not defending Rex Ryan... most of the Jets problems really seems to be personnel decisions... letting go of people they wanted, getting people they didn't... then Ryan has to deal with whatever they give him.
     
  6. Hoosier205

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    Ryan wasn't the problem. The GM had to go however.
     
  7. Lord Vader

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    Stewart,

    My brother and nephew and I spent the day watching football yesterday (we're both transplanted Chicagoans, so the Bears are close to our hearts, although they're #2 behind my Steelers, who kinda sucked this year). After the Bears won and the Packers lost (dammit), my brother and I commented that it was time for Lovie to go. With a franchise like the Chicago Bears, there is NO excuse to miss the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 seasons. Lovie had no clue how to be an offensive coach.

    From what I know in talking to my friends up in Chicago, and after listening to 670 The Score Chicago Sports Talk all afternoon today, it's clear that this decision to fire Lovie wasn't made between yesterday afternoon and today. It was made a while ago. Yesterday's final results just confirmed GM Emery's decision. Had that wimp Angelo still been the GM (he was fired at the end of last season, thank God), Lovie would still be the coach.

    While it was no surprise that Lovie was fired, my brother and I were surprised it was that soon. Regardless, Lovie's getting fired today says a lot--all positive--about the Bears' management, especially their GM. Kudos to him and the Bears for getting rid of a mediocre coach.
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

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    No surprise with the Bears - gotta say the Chicago fans are loyal to the bitter end.

    Lovie Smith has been a miserable failure, yet many Chicagoans (including most of my in-laws from Chicago and 2 close friends) thought he should be kept. I've heard the talk now for almost a decade.

    Woulda-shoulda-coulda.

    When he came to Chicago 9 years ago, Lovie Smith publicly made a big deal proclamation that it was his #1 priority to beat division rival Green Bay. It was the talk of the town.

    He made it clear that the NFC North title and road to the Super Bowl for the Bears ran through Green Bay - so beating the Packers was the yardstick of his success.

    Despite the Bears spending record amounts of getting Cutler and other new players, as well as good money for others to stay with the team, over the past 5 years against the Packers, Lovie Smith's teams were 2-9 against and 0-6 in the most recent years.

    No surprise he was canned.
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    I'll never forgive him--NEVER--for rolling over and letting the Packers win that final game of the 2010 season. It was January 2, 2011. If the Bears beat the Packers, their arch-rivals, they eliminate them from post-season contention. Lovie decided that because his team had the playoffs wrapped up, he'd rest most of his starters and not worry about the outcome of the game. He even commented that a win was not as important as resting his players for the upcoming playoffs.

    Well, because of his stupid decision, the Packers won, got into the playoffs, and promptly embarrassed the Bears in the NFC Championship. The Pack then went on to win the Super Bowl over my Steelers. Because of this, I never have forgiven Lovie. His decision came back to bite him in the ass, and I've wished a slow death for him since that time.
     
  10. Stewart Vernon

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    Apologies for not spelling Lovie correctly earlier... I fell pray to the spell-correct and went with it...

    Meanwhile... I don't have a problem with them firing him... he has had quite a while at the helm, and he was the head coach.

    My hedge was mainly because the defense has generally been strong and that is his forte... and the failures have been on the offense, usually the line lately... and I don't know how much say Lovie has had in the hiring of offensive coordinators. IF those decisions were his calls, then I would retract my hedge on blaming him for the failures.

    To counter that... with the Jets... Rex Ryan is similarly supposed to be a defensive guru, so you might expect offense problems like they have... but their defense has fizzled as well... so if you ask me to justify keeping Rex Ryan, I really can't.

    IF Ryan had been fired, I wouldn't have a problem with that either... same reasoning... he's the guy in charge, and the team has been failing.

    All other things being equal, though... I think Chicago has way more good pieces on the team than the Jets... so I'm not sure the Jets would have had a good line on a replacement IF they had parted with Ryan... while I think Chicago has not only a rich history but also a lot of current talent on the roster... so Chicago should be able to bring in someone that can hit the ground running and have them a contender next year.
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    Lovie was the person who hired the OC's. They were his call completely.

    The defense is aged and not as good as many believe. It's time they rebuild it, and that includes saying good-bye to Urlacher and others. On offense, Hester's days with the Bears are hopefully over. He was a decent kick returner, but nothing more. He was a horrible receiver.

    They have not had even a halfway decent offensive line in years.

    This team needs some major work done.
     
  12. hilmar2k

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    He was, and will apparently continue to be, the problem. He has no idea what he is doing, or how to run a team. He is a complete joke......and I'm thrilled he will be back at it again next year.
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    What was perhaps even more of a Bears fan letdown in Chicago is that they basically had 3 Head Coaches....Lovie Smith, the former Vikings Head Coach, and the Former Lions Head Coach.

    All that knowledge and experience and still look at the results. I suspect that's why they brought in the new GM when they did. It also points to why getting a "name" coach guarantees little, and re-cycling coaches often fails.
     
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    Scott Kocourek

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    As a Packers fan, I am very sad to see Lovie go. I wish the Packers would have won that Vikings game, it may have saved Lovie's job for another year.
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    Yeah....that's a good point. Ir was nice having those predictable 2 wins against the Bears on the schedule each year. :D:lol:
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    The Packers should have beaten Minnesota so they didn't have to face Adrian Peterson again!

    I don't think Green Bay wants any part of him right now... I honestly think Minnesota may very well literally run over Green Bay this weekend.
     
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    Lord Vader

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    At Green Bay? In the cold? I doubt it. Nothing would please me more to see those sanctimonious cheeseheads get their asses handed to them on a platter, but I don't expect that to happen.
     
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    hdtvfan0001

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    You might need to lend your Darth Vader suit to those crazy Minnesota Vikings fans. What do they know. Not one championship - ever. Nothing will change this year.
     
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    Laxguy

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    I am very grateful to the Vikes and in fact the Pack.... they gave my Niners a chance to heal with a bye week.

    But should be a great game this weekend.....
     
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    Lord Vader

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    They won't go far this year, either, but it's not just because they're playing Green Bay first.
     

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