2TB - where and what to get

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Steve Rhodes, May 25, 2009.

  1. MountainMan10

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    Microcenter.com has the WD 2GB green drive for $249.99

    I don't understand why eSATA or internal should make any difference. I run my desk computer off of an eSATA. I run multiple OS's and to swap I physically swap the drive. The eSATA drive physically plugs into the same port as an internal drive. There is no difference between internal and external. The bios doesn't know the difference.

    Is it not the same way on the HR*? Doesn't the eSATA port just connect to an internal SATA port? On boot up the HR software should select the active drive and after that it should be the same.
     
  2. Richierich

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    I think it may be with the eSATA Controller but it does seem to respond slower than with the Internal Drive. Probably not a big difference but I do believe there is a difference.
     
  3. Rich

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    I don't understand the "why" of it either. Don't have the knowledge. But, just from a user's point of view, using the internal instead of an eSATA certainly speeds the HRs up compared to using an eSATA. The fastest HR I have is a 20-700 with a 1.5TB HDD installed internally.

    I must admit that it is not really a valid comparison at the moment, because the other three 20-700s have large eSATAs on them that are running at less than 30% Available. When they are all have equal capacities I will either amend my opinion or stick with it.

    I dunno, using logic on these things seems kinda futile. But, you're comparing an external drive on a computer using a USB connection to a different type of computer using a much faster connection. Not sure if that's a valid comparison. Less complicated always seems like the better choice to me. Less complicated in this case is the internal HDD. But, I'm just a user, and perhaps someone knowledgeable could make a better case than I can for the internal drive. We need an ├╝ber-geek here.

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  4. MountainMan10

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    Actually I was comparing it to an external drive using SATA on my computer.
     
  5. flapbreaker

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    Not to highjack this thread but can you easily install an internal drive? I've done several Tivo's and that's a nightmare with all the blessing and kissing of drives, ect. Is it a matter of simply taking the old one out and puting a new one in? Highjack Over.
     
  6. CCarncross

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    Except most dont own the DVR's, so you cant legally open them up.
     
  7. flapbreaker

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    But hypothetically if someone did own theirs can one simply install a new Hard drive with out any prep to it and the DVR will work just fine?
     
  8. CCarncross

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    Yup, but owned receivers are few and far between. Its much easier to just add an eSATA drive than to open the unit up, too many things can go wrong opening it up.
     
  9. Richierich

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    Yes, you install the new drive and the DVR will automatically format it and install the Firmware from the chipset in the DVR and you are good to go. Very Easy.
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    Listen to this fine fellow....he's done this several times and knows of what he speaks on this topic. :D
     
  11. Rich

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    Ooops, sorry!

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  12. Rich

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    They aren't as rare as you think. You can pick them up on eBay if you go about it correctly. I just bought one a couple months ago. Lots of 20-700s for sale and a lot of them are "owned". Of course, almost every seller says that they are owned, and that is not true in most cases, but with a little research, it's really not difficult to find an "owned" HR.

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  13. Rich

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    Ah, you make it sound so simple. Maybe that 23 is simple, but the 20-700 is not. Oddly, getting the 20-700 open and switching the internal drives is easy, putting it back together is difficult. You really need two people. I did it by myself on my "owned" 20-700, but it was far from easy. I will say that I have never seen an HR of any model run as fast as the 20-700 with a 1.5TB internal drive. Goes thru the guide so fast I got lost the other day. :lol:

    I just got a new 23. Nice, very nice. Matte finish.

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  14. Rich

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    Yes, but depending on the model, it can be difficult. Once you get past the mechanical aspects, the formatting is simple.

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  15. bfdheky

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    I have 3 DVRs with 2TB eSata drives. I initially considered replacing internal, but after some thought, I decided to just use the esata port. I have had ZERO problems. I highly recommend this option vs. internal. If something happens to the receiver, you can just plug the drive in the replacement. (you wont be able to watch the shows, but at least it is an easy operation).
     
  16. P Smith

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    There is no legal implications of opening your DVR.
    Ppl using the words freely without real meaning.
    You could violate service agreement and be fined for damaging your leased DVR, but the there is no legal action applicable to such activity.
     
  17. CCarncross

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    Whatever, it's just semantics...if you don't own it, you've got no business opening it up or you risk paying the penalty
     
  18. P Smith

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    "semantics" !? Never been in court ?
     
  19. Steve Rhodes

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    I thought -- please correct me if I'm wrong -- that there are big lags in performance when you start approaching 100% full on 2TB drives. Any thoughts, based on your experience, on how true that is?

    I.e., another way to ask this, is what is the maximum USABLE size for an eSata on an HR20?
     
  20. CCarncross

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    A few people noticed slow downs on many different drive sizes when they filled them up, it didnt really matter if it was 1T or 2T drives. Bottom line if your drive is always full it will tend to be a little sluggish, no different than any PC when you fill the drive up.
     

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