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31 h-24 recievers and deca broadband internet problems

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by avmaster, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. veryoldschool

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    You've already answered the DECA loading.
    The DECA node limit has nothing to do with the SWiM, which is to say they don't "take up" a tuner.
    CCK is the current name for the old broadband DECA to connect to the router/internet.

    Since these are H24s, you can check to see if the DECA network is active by running the coax test from the front panel.
    Press the guide & right arrow [both at the same time] until you see a menu with coax on the left.
    Select coax and it will poll the DECAs and displace those active and the loss to each from the 24 running the test.
    If you get a blank screen then the internal DECA isn't active and you may need to rerun the Sat setup to turn it on.
     
  2. HoTat2

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    Yeah, from the start of this thread I was wondering if its just a simple case of somehow the internal DECAs on all 9 of these problematic receivers got disabled somehow.

    Oh, and BTW to the TS;

    Though academic now since you have one H24 on ethernet thus solving the DECA node overload problem.

    For the record, I'm sure VOS was not suggesting diplexers and CCKs on all 16 splitter outputs of the second SWiM-16. :)

    But a single diplexer (for a total of only two) on each of the second SWiM-16's SWM 1 and 2 output ports. This would have the effect of preventing the MoCA network signal from flowing across the SWiM-16's internal MoCA crossover bridge creating two isolated DECA clouds of 9 nodes on each side the second SWiM-16. Though you would need three CCKs to a router or ethernet switch which leads back to the router with this approach.
     
  3. avmaster

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  4. avmaster

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    So to clarify - 1 swm16 with 16 h24's on it and 1 deca = no problem right? Only becomes a problem if you are trying to go beyond the 16.

    The networked reciever / deca setup is fairly new to us, as we only do commercial installations for a local retailer, so we are not in house or subs working for HSP's so we do not sit through the the usual training sessions. I worked as a sub years ago but that was long before this new wave of connectivity.

    BTW, thanks for the info on the diplexers, I was unaware that there was one that would pass swm...
     
  5. JosephB

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    Still, 9 more boxes with little to no network traffic isn't going to overwhelm the network equipment. If it does, then the IP/Ethernet network was in bad shape already.

    Yup. Most home routers come configured with 100 IP addresses in the DHCP range, and hopefully a business this size has at least a decent $200 or so SMB router.

    At any rate, if it were DHCP related, it'd be hitting other things on the network, other boxes, other computers, etc.

    What about at locations that it is possible/convenient, plugging them into Ethernet, since the goal isn't MRV but just to get control signals to them?
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    Let's not mix up SWiM limits and DECA limits, since neither has any affect on the other.
    The SWiM-16 has a 16 tuners limit [eight on each output].
    The coax networking [DECA] also has a 16 node limit.
    16 H24s = 16 tuners & 16 DECAs, so you can't also have a DECA for network connectivity.
    1 HR24 + 14 H24s = 16 tuners + 15 DECAs, so in this case there is room for one more DECA for network connectivity.

    The [$6] NAS 9501 diplexer is the only DirecTV approved diplexer which works with SWiM systems.
    It is used in commercial systems where either OTA or DECA is needed to be inserted or broken out of the coax.
     
  7. avmaster

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    Gotcha....so the deca that inserts the network into the system takes up one node and each reciever also takes up one. Use the diplexers if this number is exceeded. Not a problem in this case but good for future info.
     
  8. veryoldschool

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    The more you know, the better you can do your job. :)
     
  9. avmaster

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    On another topic..... Is there a way to turn off power save mode on these h24s? No option on the setup menu.
     
  10. avmaster

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    Very true. Went from being a pro lead tech to dealing with a problem I knew nothing about and no one else in the company seemed to know. Online forums are a blessing.
     
  11. veryoldschool

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    I'm surprised you say there isn't, as it is in the DVRs and you'll find it in the system menu: menu/settings&help/settings/power saving [just below remote].
     
  12. avmaster

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    There's no power saving menu on this model. I know where it is on hr24s but its not present on the h24 current firmware for some reason.
     
  13. avmaster

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    I would also note that power save mode became enabled after doing the latest firmware update last week. No changes to the menu. I was wondering if there is a sub menu that can be accessed that may contain the power options.
     
  14. veryoldschool

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    There's no "sub menu", but during testing I did see the option missing in my menu. A simple restart had it show back up.
     

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