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3D TV .. What doesn't work (Hardware)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Aug 5, 2010.

  1. teachsac

    teachsac Legend

    Jun 10, 2006
    1080p/24 SbS is not a mandatory format. Mandatory formats for 1080p are frame packed and Top/Bottom. I will not let D* off of the hook for broadcasting in an optional format.

  2. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    Could you flesh this out a bit for those of us not quite so jargon-oriented? I will go 3D at some point.
  3. teachsac

    teachsac Legend

    Jun 10, 2006
    The 1.4a mandatory 3D formats are:

    •1080p @ 23.98/24Hz - Frame Packing (Blu-ray movies)
    •720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz - Frame Packing (gaming)
    •1080i@ 50 or 59.94/60Hz - Side-by-Side
    •720p @ 50 or 59.94/60Hz - Top-Bottom
    •1080p @ 23.97/24Hz - Top-Bottom

  4. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    Thanks, Teach.

    Would it be easy to say what this means in terms of PQ on our home sets? And are bit rates very different for each spec.?
  5. Dec 1, 2011 #305 of 317

    code4code5 Godfather

    Aug 29, 2006
    I use an hd capture card to record items onto my computers hard disk and off the DVR's disk since it has a limited capacity. The card used component and optical inputs.

    I have a working 3D setup downstairs from HR21 to an AVR to a Samsung 3DTV. If I were to hook up component cables at the same time, will I get the sbs image through my capture card? My TV will replay sbs recordings in 3D without any issue.

    Just curious before I move the pc downstairs to try and record 3D content.
  6. youritdepo

    youritdepo New Member

    Nov 28, 2011
    First off Directv gave me a non 3d reciever the first attempt, second attempt a hr21-700 dvr

    The tv is a vizio M3d421sr Been told its exactly same as the supported M3d420sr (according to vizios tech its a difference in plants)

    Again the m3d420sr is listed in there site.

    Direct to the tv gets 3d channels except for the ppv 104 channel. Been fighting with them for a week about this. Not that i want ppv i just wanted the option. So far only thing they have done is give me bill credits up to 30 a month off go figure

    They are goign to try again with recievers on sunday but I was hoping to find out what reciever works best right now i have an hr21-700 Even though they said I should have gotton a HR24

    They also claimed in my market area there is a new ui and update for HD issues comming the next few days, I bet it kills it completely.

    For now only on 104 i get error 797 resolution not supported when the tv can more than handel it.

    Courage to all that fight for what was promissed.
  7. teachsac

    teachsac Legend

    Jun 10, 2006
    Ch 104 uses a completely different format than the other channels. N3D, ESPN3d, and 3Net all use 1080i SbS, which is a mandatory format. PPV (104) uses 1080p/24 SbS which is an optional format and is possibly not supported by the Vizio. Many sets do not. Mandatory format is 1080p T/B. The only thing you can try is to manually set your tv to SbS. I do not think changing out receivers will make things better or worse. It is nice having the HR24 for other benefits, though. I've been fighting them for almost a year on that one. Good luck.

  8. youritdepo

    youritdepo New Member

    Nov 28, 2011
    Thanks to everyone here that helped me with testing and my argument with directv.

    After reading all this trying everything even talking to Vizio (manufactor of my tv) I eventuly had directv give notice of issues even though they supported the tv.

    For some reason the NEW UI download fixed the rest of my issues. The download was only available to me a few days ago. This made my tv a Vizio M3d421sr working on a hr21 dvr. They also replaced the box for all my issues with a hr24 dvr.

    It took me almost a month to express my issues just to find out that I did not matter and it was luck that the firmware fixed it.
  9. mx6bfast

    mx6bfast Hall Of Fame

    Nov 8, 2006
    Are any of ya'll using monoprice hdmi cables? Just purchased a 3DTV and am getting a free upgrade from my HR20 which I should get hopefully tomorrow. I currently have a Monster (yes I know) cable for the #D blu-ray player because my tv is 240 mhz. I will need a cable for D* and don't want to spend another $80. Would monoprice hdmi cables work fine for 3D? These in particular?



  10. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    Yes they'll work. They'll also work on the 3D BluRay.
  11. NR4P

    NR4P Dad

    Jan 15, 2007
    Sunny Florida
    Agree with Sigma. Monoprice will work fine. Have them on my 3D TV.
    No need to pay Monster prices.
  12. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2002
    I've used a number of 'cheap' Monoprice cables and any other HDMI Cale I've got laying around and have not run into any problems. IIRC DIRECTV has said if the cable works with 1080p programming you'll be fine with their 3D channels.
  13. code4code5

    code4code5 Godfather

    Aug 29, 2006
    I use a Monoprice 40' HDMI cable that works great. Only paid $20 for it, too. They can't be beat.
  14. Phil17108

    Phil17108 Mentor

    Apr 10, 2010
    I have the 65 inch Vizio with 30 feet of the high speed monoprice cables with port savers using an hr23 and it works great.
  15. txfeinbergs

    txfeinbergs Legend

    Nov 15, 2005
    I actually had to do something similar to get my Pioneer Receiver to work (2011 model). I kept getting a message that my Samsung UN60D8000 TC could not display 1080i in 3D. I then rerouted the HDMI cable directly from the DirecTV receiver to the TV and that worked. I then rerouted it back through the AMP, and it now works. I even powered off everything and turne it back on and it still worked. I think a flag had to be set in the DirecTV receiver that wasn't getting set while going through the Pioneer receiver.

    Of course now that I have found this thread, I guess I need to go back and try the 1080P 24 frame PPV channel. If that doesn't work, I will have to try the same thing to get the flag set.
  16. Feb 9, 2012 #316 of 317

    spanishannouncetable Icon

    Apr 23, 2002
    I just installed a Toshiba 42tl515u passive 3Dtv.


    Built-in WiFi
    Youtube, Netflix, VuDu and more out of the box
    4 pairs of glasses (same as those from the theater, so you can stock up on extras at Star Wars this weekend :lol: )
    Works great with n3D, 3net and ESPN3D
    PS3 3D games FTW !!!

    and best of all, I got this $1100 msrp 3Dtv from Wal-mart for less than $650 :hurah:
    and sold my 3-year-old Vizio 37" for $250, so only $400 to upgrade :hurah: :hurah:

    If you haven't gone over to 3D yet, get one of these before they run out !
  17. Aug 1, 2012 #317 of 317

    rahchgo Godfather

    Feb 2, 2007
    Chicago, IL
    I have a new Vizio (M3D470KD) 47" Full HD + 3D TV with Smart TV. This is a passive 3D TV. I'm very pleased with this TV and it works with all the DirecTV 3D channels. One small issue is changing channels. If I switch from/to a 3D channel to/from a 2D channel that is broadcast in 1080i, the set does not "see" the change from/to 2D. If I switch from/to a 2D channel that is is 720p or 480p to/from a 3D channel (always 1080i) the TV recognizes the change and adjusts appropriately. This would appear to be a HDMI handshake issue.

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