1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

3TB and 4TB Drives. The Danger!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Rich, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. Oct 1, 2012 #41 of 193
    harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    183
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Don't you suppose that thrashing the hard drive with "up to" five streams isn't considerably more stressful (mechanically) than two? I'm thinking in terms of exponential increases.
     
  2. Oct 1, 2012 #42 of 193
    veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    42,684
    349
    Dec 9, 2006
    Technically that would be 6 in and 3 out, but I kind of doubt the increase is going to cause any significant change. Just the act of writing/reading may be the failure mode.
     
  3. Oct 1, 2012 #43 of 193
    harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    183
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Would you sit still for a DVR that was as reliable as a nomad setup?

    There is very clear precedent for a system that works so I suspect that it is a business decision that they haven't made the feature widely available already. One wonders if Echostar has a patent on the feature.
     
  4. Oct 1, 2012 #44 of 193
    harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    183
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    I hadn't contemplated with idea of doing trick play with clients while all the recordings were in progress. With a few streams, it shouldn't be doing a lot of seeking, but with "up to" nine, I would imagine some of the noisier drives are protesting audibly.

    Buffering works well for recording linear content but it doesn't work all that well for non-linear playback.
     
  5. Oct 1, 2012 #45 of 193
    TBoneit

    TBoneit Hall Of Fame

    2,294
    7
    Jul 27, 2006
    OK, I'll tell you my speculation as to why it won't happen or What DirecTV won't tell you :lol:

    1. Dishes implementation is simpler as they only store video on the external drive.
    2. All the external drives in use now are encrypted and tied to the individual DVR.
    3. That tying to a specific DVR means that to go to a whole house key so that any External will work on any DVR in the house would mean wiping any External drive now in use. Can you imagine the backlash if everybody had their external drives wiped or the content rendered useless?

    I can think of one scenario that would work and the programming might be tricky. Have the DVR detect that the video is tied to a specific unit for playback on old titles and any new titles stored on the drive use a whole house key. Plus that would lead to complaints that some of my videos don't play and others do.

    Or slow down the HR series converting the encryption, if possible, to a whole house key.

    That's off the top of my head.

    Good Luck with your endeavor Rich
    Roger
     
  6. Oct 1, 2012 #46 of 193
    inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    23,207
    1,173
    Nov 13, 2006
    No they don't.
     
  7. Oct 1, 2012 #47 of 193
    rbpeirce

    rbpeirce Godfather

    518
    4
    Feb 23, 2006
    How do you copy it? Can it be mounted as a drive on your computer and if so will your computer recognize it? I don't know how these things are formatted but I know they are encrypted in some way.

    This still leaves the problem of a DVR failure. Unless the HD can be made recognizable by another DVR anything on the HD is gone.

    My favorite solution would still be a RAID system and receivers you can plug into. Actually, if you cold plug into any receiver on your account you could have a form of whole home, sort of like carrying a flash drive from one computer to another.
     
  8. Oct 1, 2012 #48 of 193
    RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    17,054
    312
    Jan 4, 2006
    http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1940174&postcount=1

    Pretty simple actually.
     
  9. Oct 1, 2012 #49 of 193
    rbpeirce

    rbpeirce Godfather

    518
    4
    Feb 23, 2006
    Easy for you to say. It looks like you need to be running Linux. I'm not. I am running OS X. Any instruction pages for that?
     
  10. Oct 1, 2012 #50 of 193
    Getteau

    Getteau Icon

    862
    10
    Dec 19, 2007
    Houston
    +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    As someone who just lost an HR24-500 because of a bad hard drive, this is the biggest PITA of the process. While I didn't like losing my recordings, especially for old series that don't come on any longer, having to go back in and rebuild my series list and favorite lists was a major chore.

    On the plus side, at least the caller ID in my HR24-100 works better than the HR24-500
     
  11. Oct 1, 2012 #51 of 193
    MrLatte

    MrLatte Legend

    224
    1
    Aug 18, 2007
    Yes, you download the Mac OS X version and make a bootable GParted Live CD version 0.3.7-7. Don't use the current release - if you look in that thread you'll see people have problems using anything newer than about 0.4.x.x - can't remember exactly how new it still works.

    I haven't tried this myself but I read the thread getting ready.
     
  12. Oct 1, 2012 #52 of 193
    RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    17,054
    312
    Jan 4, 2006
    You don't need to be running Linux. You just need the gparted live disk and a machine you can put the drives into.
     
  13. Oct 1, 2012 #53 of 193
    rbpeirce

    rbpeirce Godfather

    518
    4
    Feb 23, 2006
    As I read the information about GParted I wonder if the same thing could be accomplished on an OS X machine using Disk Utility and various Unix tools. Does anybody know?

    What does xfrestore do and might there be a similar Unix program? I recall there was a dump, and I believe, restore in older Unix releases but neither appear to exist in the 10.8.2 release of OS X. Could cpio or dd be used?

    This may be relatively straight-forward, but I know nothing about Linux and how it relates to Unix and OS X.
     
  14. Oct 1, 2012 #54 of 193
    P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    22,646
    244
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    YOU should really have a respect to the thread's starter and do not continue drag offtopic.
    You got right thread's URL to discuss the matter, so please continue there.
    :backtotop:
     
  15. Oct 1, 2012 #55 of 193
    makaiguy

    makaiguy Icon

    913
    40
    Sep 24, 2007
    Aiken, SC
    Nah, in the same programming update that starts it encoding with an account code instead of a unit code, you have the playback check to see if it was recorded with EITHER code. Couldn't take but one or two lines of code. What is lacking is the willingness to do it.
     
  16. Oct 2, 2012 #56 of 193
    RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    17,054
    312
    Jan 4, 2006
    Nothing can be done using OSX because OSX does not have any XFS tools. You need to use the xfsdump/xfsrestore method.

    FYI, OSX is BSD which is a variant of Linux.
     
  17. Oct 2, 2012 #57 of 193
    BAHitman

    BAHitman Godfather

    433
    0
    Oct 23, 2007
    Austin Texas
    This is a feature I would like to see...

    My experience since my first HR...

    1 upgraded 2TB drive died... (replaced and lost all content)

    1 CE Download erased all content on 1 DVR (2TB FULL drive)

    1 HR20-700 died (Internal drive)(DVR lost tuner 2) replaced with HR21 :(

    1 750GB drive died in my HR34 (I put 4 OLD 750's in my RAID5 enclosure)... replaced the drive and kept on going as if nothing was wrong...

    so, If I could get another RAID enclosure, i might just load it up with 4 3TB or 4TB drives. and IF I could move the existing to another DVR that would be great... but there is another issue to code for...

    move a drive from HR34 to HR2x what would happen with SL 51+? not to mention the Genie "space"
     
  18. Oct 2, 2012 #58 of 193
    harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    183
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    The best way to reduce wear and tear on a drive is to have it turned off. That's why being able to copy content to a drive for archiving is cool.
     
  19. Oct 2, 2012 #59 of 193
    RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    17,054
    312
    Jan 4, 2006
    The Genie space would stay with the hard drive and be used for PPV stuff like the HR2X's do now with DirecTV's partition. I don't think they'd be able to allow moving a drive from an HR34 to say an HR24 due to compatibility issues. One being the amount of SL's and the other being the 2TB limitation on the HR2X's that the HR34's no longer have.
     
  20. Oct 2, 2012 #60 of 193
    RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

    17,054
    312
    Jan 4, 2006
    Huh? What does that have to do with what you quoted me saying??
     

Share This Page