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3TB and 4TB Drives. The Danger!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Rich, Sep 30, 2012.

  1. Oct 2, 2012 #81 of 193
    Herdfan

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    Because everyone knows how flaky the externals can be so they just replaced the internals and the TOS be damned. :eek2:

    I didn't say that out loud did I?
     
  2. Oct 2, 2012 #82 of 193
    RunnerFL

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    Which is like saying a Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwich has no grapes involved. Since NeXT comes from BSD and OSX comes from NeXT that means OSX comes from BSD. And by "borrowed a few things" you mean the core of everything it does, then yes they "borrowed a few things". I just cut out the middle man to avoid straying too far off topic with long drawn out posts on trying to copy content from one drive to another using OSX.

    Now as for the topic....

    It's clear that the technology is out there that will allow sharing drives between DVRs, now it's just a matter of convincing DirecTV that they need to allow this.
     
  3. Oct 2, 2012 #83 of 193
    inkahauts

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    I doubt more the .001 % of people have esata drives connected, and less than half that who would actualy consider opening up and replacing the internal drvie.
     
  4. Oct 2, 2012 #84 of 193
    RunnerFL

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    You're probably pretty close to being absolutely correct unfortunately. I don't agree with externals being flaky though. I haven't had any issues with an eSATA device on a DirecTV DVR.
     
  5. Oct 2, 2012 #85 of 193
    P Smith

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    20000000 customer / 100000 = 200 DVRs
    is that what you mean ?
     
  6. Oct 2, 2012 #86 of 193
    Rich

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    Wow! Thanx for the warning... :lol:

    Rich
     
  7. Oct 2, 2012 #87 of 193
    hdtvfan0001

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    It's to the point we might need breadcrumbs to find out way home on this discussion. :D
     
  8. Oct 2, 2012 #88 of 193
    Herdfan

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    I don't necessarily mean DirecTV's implementation of eSATA, but instead external drives having issues. I have had several and every single one of them has had issues. Now the issue on my MX-1's was simply the fan would get dusty and need to be cleaned, but still walking into a room and hearing your hard drive making noise is a bit unsettling.

    My internals run much better.

    And I would guess there are more than 200 here on this board who have changed internals.
     
  9. Oct 2, 2012 #89 of 193
    dennisj00

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    Somehow we expect a $39 enclosure with a $99 drive to be reliable 24x7 for several years on a port that's unsupported with a 12" cable!!
     
  10. Oct 2, 2012 #90 of 193
    Davenlr

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    Going on 3 yrs now...not a single issue yet :)
     
  11. Oct 2, 2012 #91 of 193
    RunnerFL

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    Why shouldn't we? They are the exact same drives, or in some cases better, that are inside and the same cables...
     
  12. Oct 2, 2012 #92 of 193
    RunnerFL

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    I've got one that's right around that area too.
     
  13. Oct 2, 2012 #93 of 193
    inkahauts

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    Yeah, I doubt that even 500 people have ever opened up a hrx to install a larger hard drive.
     
  14. Oct 2, 2012 #94 of 193
    P Smith

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    If only one Rich did 60, then your number is not correct for sure.
     
  15. Oct 3, 2012 #95 of 193
    hdtvfan0001

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    Does doing about 15 by one person count somehow? ;):D

    As for the topic at hand...I'm still trying to comprehend any "danger"... :shrug:

    I "get" all the other stuff.
     
  16. Oct 3, 2012 #96 of 193
    Herdfan

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    I guess the "danger" is the possibility of losing your recordings. And while I would not want to, it is not the as a big of issue as it used to be. When DVR's came and I had a TiVo Series 1, if you lost a drive or something didn't record, you were SOL until it that episode came back as a rerun.

    Today, it is not the issue it was because you can always watch it online or buy it from iTunes. But still I don't want to lose everything.

    One thing you have here, and the providers have help people buy into it with larger and larger hard drives, is that we now use DRV's for archiving as much as time-shifting. There are some shows that get watched later the same day or within the week. There are others that will stack up and get watched say over Thanksgiving week when no new shows are on.

    If we did nothing but time-shift within a week time period, we would not need 1T drives. Wouldn't need 500GB drives. But the providers included them to entice customers into thinking they can keep 100/200/500 hours of content.

    At that point, I think they have a responsibility to do all they can to allow the customer to save their content should there be a box failure. Now they can't do anything about drive failure, but they can about other types of receiver failures.
     
  17. Oct 3, 2012 #97 of 193
    harsh

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    BSD doesn't really exist anymore aside from a handful of spin-offs. Berkeley turned the project off in 1995 after an 18 year run.
    Adaptation is a practice that Microsoft doesn't typically employ. See more at "unauthorized borrowing".

    The original NT stack was based on a stack from Spider Systems that was a BSD derivative. Microsoft subsequently came into possession of a new "from scratch" winsock stack that was distributed in NT3.5 and Windows 95. The reason the copyright notice is still in there has to do with the fact that some of the ancillary programs from the Spider incarnation that aren't part of the transport layer were never rewritten (ftp, rcp, rsh).

    http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/6/19/05641/7357
     
  18. Oct 3, 2012 #98 of 193
    Rich

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    That's the wall we hit every time we start a thread such as this. If people understood the benefits of an external drive, I think they'd go for it.

    My wife was at a business dinner recently and someone brought up D*. After a bit of listening, she told the table about the system we have and, while several people had D*, they had no idea what MRV was. That surprised me. It's not like D* didn't advertise it when it was introduced. People just seem to tune out what they don't understand. My point being, if folks don't know about a fully supported function, one that was widely advertised, how are they gonna know and understand an unsupported and unadvertised function such as the eSATA function?

    Not that I want to see D* go into the external drive business. I like the freedom to choose my HDDs myself. And my external devices.

    Kind of a quandary, no?

    Rich
     
  19. Oct 3, 2012 #99 of 193
    Rich

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    The externals seem to have problems with the external devices, not the HDDs in them. I don't know how many "bad" FAPs and Xtremes I threw away before I tried ripping the HDD out of them and putting it in another external device. And the HDDs worked. It was mostly the external devices that caused my problems. They're cheap and you get what you pay for. I have had less trouble with the Thermaltake docking stations than any other external device I've tried.

    I've got eight HRs that I own and have a 2TB HDD in all of them. They just run better with a large HDD internally.

    Rich
     
  20. Oct 3, 2012 #100 of 193
    Rich

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    The enclosures are the weak link in the chain. I've had many failures.

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