4 or More Hoppers on a Single Account?

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  1. n0qcu

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  2. James Long

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    One Hopper per person sounds good. That is the only drawback I see to the system is the limited number of tuners. But I came from a cable home where everyone could watch a different channel with no tuner issues. When one limits the number of tuners one limits the number of options. People watching the same thing? That is so 1980s ...

    The good news is that a DVR allows one to watch recordings if a live tuner is not available. And the Hopper uses one tuner for all four major networks at any time one of the networks is in use ... so if one watches/records the big four the other two tuners remain free.

    But I can see where one Hopper per person would be helpful. Not cheap, but if one is willing to pay why not? It is only money.
     
  3. James Long

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    I believe we have different definitions of supported ... yours seems to be "but will it work"? Mine is "but will DISH make it work"?

    Will it work? Maybe. Will DISH make it work? Probably not. An independent installer or customer doing their own wiring? Possible. DISH corporate installers and support? Good luck with that (see PDF posted by n0qcu).

    You might as well be asking about a tree mounted DISH. :)
     
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  4. Zulu

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    You highlighted this Hopper install rule:

    When using a power inserter, it must be installed before the Node
    • Connect ports 2-4 on the switch to the Node and port 1 to the power inserter


    If you look at both my multi-Hopper diagrams, that's exactly how it's shown -- the power inserter is between the Node and the DPP44 switch (but it's before the Node). DISH does not want you running the power inserter through a Node before it goes to the switch.

    But kudos for at least checking DISH Hopper documentation.
     
  5. Zulu

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    How about a beach-mounted dish? The signal strength would get a little dicey in waves.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. damondlt

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    That's nice lol.
     
  7. James Long

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    Here is the complete installation document for a Hopper system.

    The use of a DPP44 switch and a power inserter is intended for one of two specific type of systems:
    1) A two hopper system with a ViP receiver (allowed for people with tailgater receivers)
    The ViP receiver requires a input ... when all three outputs on an LNB are in use there is no place to connect the ViP receiver. Thus the requirement to use a DPP44 to create a fourth output is needed.

    2) A system that uses a 1000+ dish as an input (adding the 118 satellite)
    The LNBs on the 1000+ are separate ... they must be run through a DPP44 to create the DPP inputs required by a Hopper system.

    If you download the 4.31 MB document and look through all of the installation diagrams you will see the various supported installations. You will not find a four hopper system. You will not find multiple node systems. You will find installations that are supported by DISH.
     

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  8. Zulu

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    Page 9, too? :sure:
     
  9. James Long

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    Yes. Page 9. As outline in the post where I included the document, DISH allows one ViP receiver on Hopper accounts.

    Allowing a Hopper on ViP accounts does NOT imply support for more than one node nor more than two Hoppers. Show me the DISH created diagram where they show two Duo nodes or more than two Hoppers. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Zulu

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    Ok, let's agree to disagree on this.

    I think you believe that an explicit drawing is necessary for every (most?) Hopper configurations. I don't.

    Now, back to my original query . . . n0qcu, how about telling us about your 4 Hopper system?
     
  11. James Long

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    It is not your place to tell people what I believe. They can read my posts for themselves.
    Call DISH ... ask them to install four Hoppers. See how the install turns out.

    Now ... lets see an example of someone who has done more than four.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    Dish supports single and dual node installations for one Hopper (single node) or 2 Hopper (dual node) configurations.

    Dish will only lease you 2 Hopper receivers.

    You can, however, purchase additional Hopper receivers and if you buy the additional necessary equipment (specifically dual nodes and dpp44 switches) then you can hook those up OR probably pay a Dish installer to do it for you... BUT if you pay a Dish tech to do the work, what you'll get are two isolated dual nodes for a 4-Hopper installation.

    So... Does Dish support 4-Hopper installations? Sure, as far as I can tell nothing says Dish would not support a 4-Hopper installation.

    What Dish would not support, however, is interconnecting those dual nodes. You will not find a Dish employee who will say they support that configuration... You would have to do that bit yourself, and Dish would not help you with any problems that arise from it.

    Anywhere you find anyone who has set these interconnected setups and posted their diagrams, you can bet these guys did it themselves AND are supporting it themselves if they have problems. They do it because that's what a lot of us do... we push the technology to see what we can make it do that isn't advertised... but we don't call up Dish and expect them to support our findings.

    We're not really discussing rocket science here. There's some stuff that works beyond what Dish has decided to support... and it's cool, as long as you make those configurations with the understanding that you're on your own if you run into any problems. There are no "Dish police" who will come and tear out the cabling if you connect one of these non-supported setups... but they aren't going to help you out either.

    We could have this discussion on any number of things at any number of companies... there's almost always some way people figure out how to use a thing in their home for a different purpose than the manufacturer intends... and that's all cool. Nothing at all wrong with it! But the companies don't support every possible thing we consumers might try.
     
  13. damondlt

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    I have a few questions about a setup.
    Can you lease , 2 hoppers, a super Joey, a regular Joey,and a 211k ?

    Is it possible to have this setup?
     
  14. James Long

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    No.

    Super Joeys can only be added to a single Hopper system. Two Hoppers and a Super Joey is a non-starter.
     
  15. damondlt

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    Okay scratch that, a regular Joey would be fine.
    2 hoppers 2 joeys and maybe one or 2 211ks.

    We just sold our vacation house in Up state NY and bought one in Virginia , which we are going to live there every weekend starting next month.
    It's only around 4-5 hours from my current home in Pa.

    I was going to just bring my Directv stuff, but I think we want to give the hoppers a try.
     
  16. James Long

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    Two Hoppers. two Joeys is a routine install. You would be able to purchase one 211k and add it to the account, but not two (the intent is to allow for tailgating on the 211k).
     
  17. damondlt

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    Okay we could make one 211k work, But 2 hoppers and 2 joeys is considered a standard install?

    I have no choice but satellite where the house is.
    No Roamios, but OTA is also an option.
     
  18. Zulu

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    In this DirecTV network, how many of the receivers can access programming from the others? (I'm assuming they're all DVRs).
     
  19. sigma1914

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    They all can.
     
  20. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    All except for the ones on the Legacy ports, which are just old Standard Legacy boxes.
    But yes anything on the Swm side can all be shared.
    They have a mix in that picture, But you can have 8 HR24S if you want.

    And the PI doesn't have to go directly to the swm16 , you can use the power pass on the SWM splitter that is on the SWM number 1 leg.
     

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