4K and Directv

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by tadam, Sep 25, 2015.

  1. peds48

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    I presumed you sat down next to the poster to post those comments as facts.

    While I did not tested the aforementioned cable myself, I am relying on all the wonderful reviews which apparently this cable with feed and take care of my dog as well. :)


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  2. James Long

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    Have you sat next to this poster? No. You are simply dismissing his opinion and redirecting the thread away to psychobabble, iPhones and now cables to DISTRACT from the truth of his argument. And now you distract even more. Downplaying the facts presented and introducing distractions does not win your side of the argument.

    It appears that you are saying the guy who owns the set and anyone who defends his opinion MUST be wrong, because you are right. There is probably a psychobabble name for that as well. I'd rather discuss the poster's TV.
     
  3. SledgeHammer

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    That cable is 65' long. That's why its so pricey. The 2M version is only ~$130 on eBay. So, its only about 5x more expensive then their cheaper version. The diamond model is the one that's crazy. $1000 for a 1.5M HDMI cable???
     
  4. peds48

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    So $130 is OK too pay for that cable? Even Apple does not have the balls to charge that much.... :rotfl:
     
  5. compnurd

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    Does anyone know the full specs of the 4k content Directv has? Since a hdmi 1.4 cable will only do up to 30hz I was curious if people have upgraded there cables. It looks like the c61 will support 4K at 60 hz but comparison the new fire tv will only go up to 30hz at 4K

    But I am not sure if there are any plans for "tv" content above 4K30
     
  6. SledgeHammer

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    Well, no, I wouldn't. I meant, its relatively cheap compared to the Diamond lol.

    That being said, no, not all HDMI cables are the same. Not all HDMI cables support full bandwidth for example and are just good up to 10.2Gbps, but will not pass 18Gbps. Do you need 18Gbps for regular 4K/60Hz @ 4:2:0? No, you don't. But you'd need it if you want to do 4K/60Hz @ 4:4:4 or 21:9 or Atmos (or other higher channel count audio).

    Also, if you have a long run, a passive cable wouldn't even pass 1080P.

    That being said #2, you can still get an active 18Gbps HDMI cable for a lot less then $60/ft :).
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    There's no such thing as a "HDMI 2.0(a) cable". You just need an 18Gbps cable if you want to future proof. 4K @ 60fps probably won't happen on TV. 4:4:4 sure as hell won't happen on TV. UltraHD BluRay is another story.

    My current HDMI cables are circa 2005/2006, so I'm just replacing them with 18Gbps passive cables from Monoprice since I'm upgrading my TV now... god I can't wait for my flat LG OLED to arrive :).
     
  8. HoTat2

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    There is no such of a thing as a 1.x, or 2.0 HDMI cable. That is just a marketing ploy by manufacturers get you to buy more expensive cables. The version of HDMI supported is determined by the circuitry and firmware inside the equipment being connected by the cable.

    HDMI cable simply comes in two types. Hi and lo bandwidth types. All HDMI cables commonly sold today are the hi bandwidth types, so any one with at least an 18 gps data rate will do for SD, HD or 4K.

    As far as specifications of DIRECTV's 4K content, it really doesn't matter. The TV set still must meet the standard they set before viewing any of their programs even if the frame rate of the program being viewed fall short of it.

    4K resolution, 2.0 HDMI, 2.2 HDCP, and 60 fps.

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  9. compnurd

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    Marketing or not.. There seems to be a difference. It seems the ones rated for HDMI 1.4 at 10.2gbps will support 4K up to 30HZ.. if you want beyond that you need a 18gbps one.. And even on Monoprice or Amazon, High Speed does not dictate 18gbps.. Hi Speed can reference one that does 10gbps
     
  10. slice1900

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    I think it is a given that 4K @ 60fps will happen on TV. ESPN will use that from day one. Heck, I think there's a decent chance they'll do 4K @ 120fps eventually.

    4:4:4 I agree, at 4K resolution the difference between that and 4:2:0 is so tiny almost no one could tell the difference. 4:2:0 at 4K contains the same amount of color information as 4:4:4 at 1080p, so unless you're so close to the TV you can see the individual pixels, you aren't going to be able to see the what 4:4:4 at 4K would add to that.
     
  11. tkevinb

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    I have a Sharp Aquos LC-70UQ17U TV and had the exact same issue with the DirecTV 4K Genie Mini not allowing for 4K to be displayed. I had a DirecTV technician out and they could not figure out the issue. I have a Roku 4K that displays 4K content, but the Genie will not. The tech believed that the TV did not have the most up-to-date HDCP 2.2 firmware, but from the other posts I've read here, it appears that the limitation of 30 FPS on this TV is the culprit keeping the DirecTV 4k Mini Genie from allowing the 4K resolution box to be checked. I'm not sure the limited 4K content currently availability is enough to justify a new TV.
     
  12. compnurd

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    The 30FPS on the TV is not the issue. My 61K is connected to a HDMI 1.4 Port that Supports HDCP 2.2 It works fine with 4K content. The problem probably is the port does not support HDCP 2.2
     
  13. tadam

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    It is indeed the limitation of 30 FPS as Directv required 60. Honestly, I don't have any idea why Directv would have more than 30 as it is humanly impossible to see anything beyond 24 FPS.
     
  14. compnurd

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    As I said, I have a C61 Connected to a Port that only works on 4K at 30FPS and it works fine
     
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    I'm very skeptical of knowledge the person; he don't know CRT interlacing nor analog standard TV freqs ...
     
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    I just had DTV install the HR54 and put the C61 client in a different room. The client is attached via HDMI to a Denon 3313CI receiver which is then connected to a Samsung UN65HU8550FXZA television via high speed active redmere hdmi cable which is plugged into the t.v.'s MHL port. The C61 client is saying the TV does not support 4K. Does anyone have any ideas/fixes for what the issue might be? Thanks.
     
  18. lparsons21

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    Your 3313CI doesn't have the current level of HDCP and HDMI and won't work with 4K video. Like me and others there are only 2 solutions:

    1. Break out the plastic and buy a new AVR that will work with it. Like the Denon S920

    2. Connect the C61 via HDMI directly to the TV and get the audio via optical.

    I have done #2 because my Harman Kardon 3700 has the same issue. #2 works fine since the audio for the most part, is DD and optical can deal with it just fine.


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  19. diginewb

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    Ugh...that sucks. Thanks for breaking the bad news. Makes one wonder how long a new HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a receiver will be good. Anyone know if such a receiver would be fairly 4k future proof or whether I would get hosed again after having it for three years?
     
  20. lparsons21

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    Who knows? As the industry keeps trying to help us reduce the weight of our wallets as fast as they can there is just no telling. But then again, why worry about it? As with all tech you get onboard and ride it for awhile until something else tickles our fancy.

    In the meantime I'm finding that if 4K BluRay isn't part of the picture, and with me it isn't, then workarounds aren't all that difficult and you don't actually lose anything.

    My #2 works fine for good 4K and audio just fine and requires only a 4K TV. If you have to add 4K BluRay into the mix it isn't all that difficult again without changing the AVR.

    Just ensure the 4K BluRay box has 2 HDMI outputs. Hook one to the TV for the video, the other to the AVR for the hires audio.

    Getting an AVR for 4K only accomplishes some simplification of the connections and controls, you can get all the correct audio and video without getting a new one. This is a lesson I've been learning the hard way! Of course a universal remote comes in real handy when you are twiddling things.


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