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  1. Nov 5, 2016 #41 of 119
    inkahauts

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    Major being content I assume. Because without content there's not a lot of point. :)
     
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    Right.

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    thyname

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    Say what? Distance does matter


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    peds48

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    it may not matter for yourself and a few others, but it does for everyone else. This theory is based of facts and science and is not an opinion unlike your post I just quoted.


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    inkahauts

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    People claiming distance alone makes 4K worthless are wrong. It doesn't matter what distance, a 4K TV CAN give you a better picture. Which tv and what distances can easily influence how much better but you don't have to sit a certain distance to actually get something out of it. Even though many bad articles seem to claim that.

    With that said the wrong 4K tv could be worse than a 1080 tv as well at any distance. There's to many variables to claim any solely make buying a 4K tv worthwhile or worthless.

    And the distance one is probably the worst argument for or against 4K tvs by comparison of all the other variables.
     
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    jimmie57

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    Let's ask the question, How far away can you tell if there are 7 sheets of paper stacked on a desk or 11 pieces ?
    If you are far enough away it just looks like 1 sheet. The closer you get the more you can tell that it is more than 1.
    Same thinking is applied to the size of the pixels in 2 comparable sized TV screens, say a 55" one.
     
  7. Nov 5, 2016 #47 of 119
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    I agree with you in that distance alone is not the factor that makes 4K TVs and 4K viewing / experience good or bad. Well said.

    I believe that a good tv makes a difference, but the further you seat, the tougher becomes to tell the difference.

    I just got a Samsung KS8000 a couple of weeks ago and love it! Much better than a Sony x850c I got last year.

    Fortunately, I can tweak my seating distance, and found out that I had to seat as close as 5.5' away (60" tv) to get the most of it. It is not that I got nothing when I was seating 8-9' away, but the experience improved dramatically the closer I went.

    Having said this, I just exchanged my 60" KS8000 with a 65" KS8500, which I should get next Saturday. Then I believe I can push the sofa back to about 6' with no issues. We'll see


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  8. Nov 6, 2016 #48 of 119
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    A couple more things to mention that can happen just because is a 4K set...

    Color in an hdr machine can be a better.

    Motion can be smoother.

    And if people ever do want to get technical realize just because you theoretically can't see full 4K at a given distance doesn't mean you can't see better than 1080...

    My biggest issue is people always talking strictly distance and resolution forget that while it may be true for a photo it's not at all true for a moving image. How images move across the screen and their jitter and such are very much affected by how good of a tv it is and the better the tv with a higher resolution can make movement better because you lose the jaggedness.
     
  9. Nov 6, 2016 #49 of 119
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    This chart (CarltonBale.com) provides viewing distance info where resolution becomes noticeable. resolution_chart.png
     
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    Saved me the trouble of replying...Thanx :rolling: . I thought we had put this to bed months ago, but it keeps popping up along with posts from people who don't have 4K sets.

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    Jimmie, I've put a plasma 1080p set side by side with the Sammy 4K set and I saw lots of differences no matter where I stood. I did that at home, but I've done it in stores too.

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    What I highlighted is truth, I think.

    I have virtually no jittering (juddering) problems with the Sammy 4K. I did have them with cheaper Sammy 4K sets. Seems like the only real way to get a good, steady picture is to buy the more expensive sets. I don't remember how many 4K sets I tried, but the LG was awful, the Sony 850C was not what I expected from Sony (the more expensive sets from Sony seem to be better) and the cheaper Samsungs...well they went back to the stores really quickly. I didn't have juddering problems with the LG or the Sony, they both had very steady pictures. The Sony was just bad all around that the LG had a terrible time rendering red from any source.

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    I think it is the fact that they can change colors more because of the higher number of pixels that affects the look of the picture. I have been looking for several months and decided to wait until there is a sale, probably Black Friday, to buy me one. I have a 2009 46" Samsung LCD that I will replace with a 55" 4k Samsung.
     
  14. Nov 6, 2016 #54 of 119
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    Honestly I wish people would stop posting this. It's like a spin chart from a political campaign. It's useless for moving images.
     
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    When you go shopping for a Samsung 4K look for a model # higher than 7000. The 7000 and lower numbered sets have only a 120 refresh rate. Higher than 7000 you get a 240 refresh rate. The sets with the 240 RR will give you a judder-free picture. I'd suggest an 8500 like mine, don't know what they're going for, but I bought my 65" JS8500 last year just after Black Friday for ~ $2000, a lot lower than the MSRP. I bought it from the Magnolia Room at a local Best Buy.

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  16. Nov 6, 2016 #56 of 119
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    Seems a good measure these days is everyone claims double their actual refresh rate. And a real 60 is no where near as good as a real 120.
     
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    just because "you think" does not make is true. Facts are proven, opinions are not.


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  18. Nov 6, 2016 #58 of 119
    peds48

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    the pixel density of a display doesn't change if you have a moving picture or a still image.

    4K however does bring better color gamut to the table, but when it comes to details on the image, distance does play a huge role.




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  19. Nov 6, 2016 #59 of 119
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    You still don't seem to get my point. Which is fine.

    Think of it this way sometimes that image will be clean along its edges and sometimes it won't be as it moves across a screen. The higher pixel density the cleaner it will always be as it moves across a screen. That an be caught by the human eye because the human eye can see the jagged edges on some images. It may not be always but sometimes it will happen. Using a resolution that goes beyond what you can in theory see gets rid of the issue. And this doesn't have anything to do with distance.

    In theory people can't see the flicker of the mirrors on a DLP yet I and most other people I know have in fact seen it at some point in time if they have owned one. Doesn't mean I still don't love a good dlp.
     
  20. Nov 6, 2016 #60 of 119
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    It doesn't bring a wide color gamut yet. Eventually it will, but not yet. Eventually it will bring 120 fps also, but not yet.
     

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