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4th Wave of HD launches on DTV

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by coldmiser, Oct 15, 2007.

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  1. James Long

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    E* got the deal for Big Ten that E* wanted ... and they have ALL of the Big Ten coverage available now. D* still has not added the alt HD games on the weekend.
     
  2. texaswolf

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    Right and I'm grateful for that...too bad Big Ten fans had to miss on of the best games in history due to it....but at least they finally got it...and they did say they were trying to get it....why not do that with somr of the key D* HD releases...thats all
     
  3. BigSey

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    I'm sorry but without Sunday Ticket and Extra Innings in HD (or at all for that matter), there is no way that E* should be claiming to be "home of the best sports and movies in high definition." That's just wrong.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    They don't have the NFL Sunday Ticket. They don't have MLB Extra Innings. They don't have the NCAA Mega March Madness tournament package. DirecTV has all.

    So how again can E* be the "best"? :confused:
     
  5. ScoBuck

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    And NOT offering NESN-HD or YES (SD or HD) - those are only the 2 MOST WATCHED RSNS.
     
  6. James Long

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    If NESN-HD and YES would negotiate fairly they would be on E*. CSN CHI made it on E* after similar problems (programmer wanting a 24/7 slot with E* offering game coverage). YES demands better placement than every other RSN on the system (similar to BTN, before BTN conceded their position).

    Season Ticket packages are fine for people who like one sport regardless of who is playing (or is not in the region with their favorite team). But they are not the killer application.
     
  7. ScoBuck

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    Fairly as in Charlies eyes? Seems that YES and NESN have made it on ALL the other respective systems. I guess D* and ALL the cablecos are wrong - and Chuckie is the only right one.

    I know you are (and its ok of course) a DISH fan, but you don't always have to take Charlie's pocketbook position. He is wrong sometimes you know.

    BTW - NFL-ST has only - 2 million paying customers.
     
  8. James Long

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    Fair in the eyes of most of the 13.585 million people in America who count the most.
    Those who pay their E* bill each month. :)
     
  9. ScoBuck

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    I don't buy that standard answer for moment. It is too late now, but DISH suffers in this market (the LARGEST) by not offering YES - it would have more than made up for the cost to Charlie. You wouldn't be paying any more if he was carrying it - that is all hype.
     
  10. James Long

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    The point isn't how much those 13.585 million people are paying and whether they would or would not be paying more if YES were added (or the other channels that demand more than E* is willing to give). The point is that there are plenty of people willing to keep their subscriptions DESPITE all the claims that "E* will lose by not carrying fill in the blank ".

    I expect they will continue to GAIN more customers than D*. They have been good at that for a while! :)
     
  11. ScoBuck

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    Since 2002 they have added almost exactly the SAME number of customers. I for one have never said they will lose by not carrying.....

    I DID SAY that they would DEFINITELY HAVE many more customers in the LARGEST DMA if they carried the YES network.

    With DISH's non-response to the onslaught of DirecTV's HD adds this month, your expectations are more than likely not going to happen. Can't you tell by the sheer desperation in DISH's press release today?
     
  12. texaswolf

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    I'm one of those customers, and I could really give a damn about what Charlie considers fair prices. As far as a company he needs to do what it takes to offer the same content to keep customers. If he is worried about losing $$$ and feels the need to up E* prices...he'll pay for it true...but playing the waiting game and losing some bids....could cost him more.

    Tell me why is it that E* is getting all the "unfair" pricing and D* isn't? Do people in the industry not like him, or is it all about who you are tied to?

    John you even have to admit that this doesn't look good on E* marketing dept. hell the cust. care office doesn't even seem to care if we leave...myself and a workmate talked to them and mentioned leaving, and their response was...thats your choice...but you may regret it....NICE RETENTION DEPT. You could tell they have heard the complaint before...I just wish they would come out and give E* cust. a reason to look forward with staying with them.
     
  13. James Long

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    Still moving the cheese on that one? How about you find a year for which that bogus claim works and stick with it?

    June 2007 ... D* 16.3 million subs
    Dec 2004 ... D* 13.9 million subs (2.4 million added since 2004)
    Dec 2003 ... D* 12.2 million subs (4.1 million added since 2003)
    Dec 2002 ... D* 11.2 million subs (5.1 million added since 2002)
    Dec 2001 ... D* 10.7 million subs (5.6 million added since 2001)

    June 2007 ... E* 13.585 million subs
    Dec 2004 ... E* 10.905 million subs (2.68 million added since 2004)
    Dec 2003 ... E* 9.425 million subs (4.16 million added since 2003)
    Dec 2002 ... E* 8.18 million subs (5.4 million added since 2002)
    Dec 2001 ... E* 6.83 million subs (6.7 million added since 2001)

    Since 2002 ... 5.8% more added by E*
    Since 2003 ... 1.5% more added by E*
    Since 2004 ... 11.6% more added by E*
    Oooooh that "Since 2003" number looks good, was that the one you were looking for? :)
     
  14. ScoBuck

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    If DISH had 8.18 in Dec of 2002 and 13.58 in June of 2007 - they added 5.40 million.

    if D* had 11.2 in Dec 2002 and 16.3 in June of 2007 they added 5.10 The difference between the 2 is 300,000 in 5 years (60k a year).

    Like I said almost exactly the same.

    I also notice that since I clearly mentioned since 2002 - you added the year 2001 which we all know was a great year for DISH. But - outside the range I clearly mentioned.
     
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    My question James...is how much will E* numbers drop since they aren't giving as much as a peep about when or what they are doing to compete?
     
  16. James Long

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    Number corrected and percentages added.

    2003 must be the year you are looking for. :)

    Based on all the other doomsday predictions ... E* will gain subs in Q4.
     
  17. ScoBuck

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    What the heck are you even talking about. Dish added a total of 300k more subs in the past 5 years than DirecTV - that is pretty close to even.

    I think you have blinders on. DISH is in trouble right now. No need to take it so personal though.
     
  18. James Long

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    Only if you stick on the blinders and ignore the fact that 300k is 5.8% more additions to E* than D*.

    Ditto. Remain fact based and stop moving the cheese!
     
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    I can understand that...but were any of those other doomsday predictions right after D* finally launched a bunch of wanted channels? Thats my concern
     
  20. James Long

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    In this case the doomsday is "D* launches a competitive HD package".
    Whatever will E* do! :rolleyes:

    Survive. Just like every other time. :)
     
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