$5.00 for the new Dodgers channel.

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by lipcrkr, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Dodgers were smoking into the playoffs last year, unlike previous years.

    As stated, they put a lot of money from the LA Sportsnet deal into the roster and it has paid off.

    The numbers do not lie......average attendance per game rose to 46,696 last year with roughly 70% of market unable to pick up the games.

    And thus far this year the numbers are even higher - at 47,376 per game.
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    Rk	Year	Tm	Lg	W	L	Finish	Playoffs	              Stadium	     Attendance	     Attend/G	Rank	Est. Payroll	   PPF	   BPF
    1	2015	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL West	7	3	1		         Dodger Stadium	331,632	        47,376	1st of 15	$230,339,500	96	97
    2	2014	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL West	94	68	1	Lost LDS (3-1)	 Dodger Stadium	3,782,337	46,696	1st of 15	$230,814,600	96	97
    3	2013	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL West	92	70	1	Lost NLCS (4-2)	 Dodger Stadium	3,743,527	46,216	1st of 15	$254,161,000	95	96
    4	2012	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL West	86	76	2		         Dodger Stadium	3,324,246	41,040	3rd of 16	$177,033,600	96	96
    5	2011	Los Angeles Dodgers	NL West	82	79	3		         Dodger Stadium	2,935,139	36,236	6th of 16	$103,785,477	96	96
    
     
  2. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Suggest you look at attendance pre LA Sportsnet Contract with attendance averaging 36k and 41k compared to 2013-2015 with Payroll increases (and playing past regular season)
     
  3. Laxguy

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    Wouldn't the widespread unavailability of TV broadcasts boost gate sales?

    And, yes, a team that can generate excitement especially with a shot at the playoffs will draw more than those without.
     
  4. James Long

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    Wow ... the years that I sat on a recliner to watch TV the Dodgers did better than the years I sat on a couch. That must be the difference.

    There are many factors going into performance and attendance. To pretend that there is only once answer to why there was a difference between past years is short sighted.
     
  5. slice1900

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    In the shorter term, that's probably the case. The argument is what effect it would have if only 30% of LA residents can watch them for a decade or two. How many kids that would have grown up Dodgers fans will become fans of other teams or other sports? There's no historical precedent for this, so there's no way to say for sure.

    There is some data to suggest the correlation works in reverse - teams that were on TV on a lot gained fans compared to other teams that were not - even more local teams. Look at a state by state map showing the top five baseball teams by fan base and be amazed at how many fans the Cubs have even well outside their "local area" despite a century of futility. While it can't be proven, I think WGN being on basic cable nationwide for the past few decades has a lot to do with that. Check back in 2025 and we'll see how taking them off nationwide basic cable changes the numbers :)
     
  6. inkahauts

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    I think that FOX will offer Balmer around 150 million a year and he'll take that and run. That's my pricing prediction of the year! :)

    It's not that FOX will barley offer any money it's that Time Warner Cable over bid by 1.5 billion. I doubt they'd ever consider overbidding as much for the Clippers BUT we are now at the point of to many rsns so any bid at all from a new channel is to much. I just don't see the Clippers moving. FOX now has four teams for two channels so they will spend their money on the Clippers. They just did for the kings and Angels. Not sure when the ducks are up.

    But I could easily see Balmer leave a small amount of money on the table to stay with a station that already exists. That would net him more money in the long term do to exposure. The Clippers need a lot more exposure.

    And the Dodgers are not a winning team yet. Let's revisit that in November. ;) winning for the Dodgers is World Series. Anything else won't sway masses. This is Los Angeles. Die hard fans will stay but the true masses don't come unless you win the big prizes.

    And the Dodgers already have massive attendance and always have. I just checked. Their attendance was up 480 people per game on average last year over the year before. How much of that was simply because we got rid of McCourt? And there's no way that is enough additional attendance per game to offset the millions they are losing in ad dollars. Looking at average prices per game.... You find they made an extra 4.5 million in attendance last year over the year before. That's an average of just 30k per game only. I have. A hard time believing their ad dollars haven't dropped a lot more than 30k per game ( or could be higher by more than 30k I should say) not to mention how much more they could get for all the rest of the time on replays and pre and post game shows.

    And McCourt made a lot of people stay away. I didn't go because of him. And also the Brian stow beating. Many people didn't go to game simply because of those two things. Look carefully and the Dodgers lost a ton of attendance as the McCourt thing got worse and worse. And they went to the playoffs during his tenure too.

    You can't underestimate how much people hated him affecting attendance. They finally got back last year to where they where 2006 to 2009
     
  7. SomeRandomIdiot

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    I realize from multiple threads that an installer is not given research and information that the business and programming offices of DirecTV has, but regardless, your post that claims there is data to suggest the correlation works in reverse, please provide sources and links. It certainly is not in the DirecTV installers manual!

    Broadcasters and teams have watched the relationship for literally 40 years in mounds of data.

    And even a fool knows that the better the win-lose record the better gates.

    When teams do poorly, the lower the gate and a direct relationship in Broadcast ratings when people tune in to just see if they won or lost, as they do not care to go to the stadium and see a team always lose.
     
  8. Laxguy

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    There is not always a direct correlation between W-L records and attendance.
     
  9. inkahauts

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    And while gates go up so do TV audiences usually. Which brings in a lot more ad revenue there. How's that working for the Dodgers, who I still say aren't a winning team yet anyway....

    Not having them on tv won't push everyone to the games. There's not that many seats in a stadium.
     
  10. slice1900

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    I don't follow what you're saying here about installers and installers manuals. What does that have to do with anything I posted?

    Explain why the Cubs are in the top 5 in popularity in so many states if it is all about the W/L record.
     
  11. tonyd79

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    And now the comcast acquisition is dead. TWC on its own.
     
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  12. joed32

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    Good!
     
  13. tnnolman

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    So that means those dodgers games will only be on MLB EI pay subscription and not the full channel which still has no new providers. It does mean that Time Warner is going to have to lower the subscriber cost of the dodgers channel.
     
  14. tonyd79

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    It will be interesting to watch.
     
  15. sunfire9us

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    I agree!! Now TWC doesn't have Comcast to cover their a*s, they are going to finally be forced to eat a huge loss on their own and drop the price for that stupid SNLA. This will also serve as a precedent for all the other sports teams this new model won't work even when it comes to the so called marquis teams next to what happened with the worthless teams such as CSN Houston and the Astros.


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  16. inkahauts

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    Charter will buy them now....

    There was an article yesterday in the Los Angeles times sports action on a company that does VPN for you and how to use them to set up a vpn and get the games via mlb.com in Los Angeles. I thought that was pretty dang funny.
     
  17. SomeRandomIdiot

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    Not according to what TWC is claiming in the press as how they have this positioned on their financial books.

    Under Federal law, especially since the bank failures during the last 8 years, if the value of the asset decreases at any time, it must immediately be written down.

    TWC has made a point that they have the deal on their books to lose money in the first several years and so it is still on target.
     
  18. James Long

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    Worth noting ... but not something we discuss on this site - so further discussion will be removed.
     
  19. tonyd79

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    Are you saying they PLANNED to have no carriage outside their own system for years?
     
  20. maartena

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    It's all up in the air right now. There are rumors involving a merger with Cox cable as well.

    What we can be almost assured of however, is that no one (including DirecTV, Dish, Charter, Cox, and others) will sign a deal with TWC Sportsnet Dodgers until there are some better guarantees as what is to happen with TWC now that the Comcast deal is dead.

    Time Warner as a company has always wanted to lose the telecommunication/television side of their business, so Time Warner Cable and TW Telecom (business ethernet etc) were spun off into complete separate companies, and TWC had to give up using the "Roadrunner" logos etc. The future for TWC is uncertain, but what is certain is that when a takeover or merger happens, is that the "Time Warner" portion of the name will be removed. That could mean that it will become part of another company (such as Cox or Charter) or two merging companies will pick a whole different name.

    In any case, TWC is in a uncertain state right now, and DirecTV would probably be smart to hold off on any negotiations for TWC Sportsnet Dodgers until there is a lot more certainty of what is going to happen. There is still a chance that DirecTV will manage to do the same thing as in Houston, and that is wait till the investors of TWC Sportsnet grow weary enough to try and sell the network out of TWC, and DirecTV might be able to buy it for a lot less money.
     

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